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Tenebrae, I am certainly not trying to edit war with you. I interpreted your earlier edits to mean that I should add citations in order to keep the that information ("removed uncited analysis, added cite reqs"). I did that. I'm simply trying to create a quality article on a character that has an interesting history. I would love your help to keep me in check with this article, since you are clearly interested.

I do really appreciate you cleaning up my citations. I have not been an active Wiki editor in a few years, and some of those skills became rusty.
I don't know what 'yoy' means. Please explain
I think that information on Charlton's reluctance to publish super hero comics because of Marvel and DC's dominance is important, because it demonstrates that finally choosing to publish E-Man was a big deal at the company and marks the title's importance is bringing Charlton into a new era. It also shows that the character had to cross some barriers to be published.
I included Yang because every source I have specifically points out that E-Man and Yang were to be the first titles in Charlton's superhero line. I don't think Yang is much of a superhero either, but I did want to point out that E-Man's launch was tied to this other title.
Superhero is not a genre? Shall I use the term Superhero fiction?

I'm looking forward to your feedback :) Mookie89 (talk) 08:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Mookie89. I think we're ultimately on the same page, and I always love collaborating. First things first: "yoy" was a typo; I'd meant to write the generic "you" (as in "one then discusses")!

Next, thank you for cleaning up some more of the overlinking in the citations. Man, that took forever, and I'm not surprised I'd missed some.

I think Charlton's short superhero gap from 1968 to 1973 is not hugely notable in the context of a character; it's much more part of Charlton's history and more suited to the company's article. Companies' publishing priorities ebb and flow and that's business as usual. Arguing that trying out one superhero (and I'll get to Yang) was "a big deal" seems like original-research synthesis. If we could quote a a third-party comics historian, as opposed to someone who'd worked on the comic, framing the context in that way, that'd be different and I'm sure we could find a way to word and cite it.

Popular-press sources might refer to Yang colloquially as a superhero, but an encyclopedia has to be more technical and dictionary-definition correct.

"Superhero fiction" is perfect.

What do you think? --Tenebrae (talk) 00:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BTW ... name based on Mookie Wilson? : ) --Tenebrae (talk) 00:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've been really careful to avoid original research synthesis, carefully wording everything I have written for this article to avoid convey my own conclusions, which is why "publishing E-Man was a big deal," doesn't appear in this article. But I do think that it's important to set up the context of the character's development. Priorities do change, but I think it is within the scope of this article when a character comes about as a result of that change.

In any event, how is this for a third-party quote from The Superhero Book: The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Comic-Book Icons and Hollywood Heroes?

Lackluster sales did not encourage many publishers to attempt superhero comics during the Bronze Age, but a few gave it the old college try: Atlas Comics produced a diverse but short-lived comics line in the mid-1970s, including superheroes Tiger-Man and the Destructor, and longtime player Charlton Comics published King Features' jungle hero The Phantom and introduced a wry superhero parody, E-Man.^[1]

Also, Mookie comes from Do the Right Thing. I just always liked the sound of the name. People always ask me if it comes from Wilson or Mookie Blaylock.

I think that's a great citation, and it also avoids the awkwardness of including Yang. Let me trim and copy-edit the quote a little. I'm not sure how best to phrase this information succinctly in the article, but I'd definitely include the quote in the footnote template's "quote=" field:

Lackluster sales did not encourage many publishers to attempt superhero comics during the Bronze Age, but a few gave it the old college try: Atlas Comics produced a diverse but short-lived comics line in the mid-1970s ... and longtime player Charlton Comics published [a comic starring] King Features' jungle hero The Phantom and introduced a wry superhero parody, E-Man.

Why don't you take a crack at phrasing and footnoting? If I think it needs copy-edit tweak, I'll go in and do that. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:48, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Misiroglu, Gina (April 1, 2012). The Superhero Book: The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Comic-Book Icons and Hollywood Heroes. Visible Ink Press. ISBN 0780807723.

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[1] Misiroglu, Gina (April 1, 2012). The Superhero Book: The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Comic-Book Icons and Hollywood Heroes. Visible Ink Press. ISBN 0780807723.

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