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Question

I was adding the anime voices to the article. On animenewsnetwork.com, their is a character named Hirofumi Nonaka in Japanese and Hironobu Nonaka in English. Is this the same character with different spelling or are they different? (Duane543 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

Unknown Characters

I recently watched the DearS anime series and noticed two characters in the end credits that did not appear in the series. I assumed they only appear in the manga, but I am unsure and I can't find references to them (since I don't know their names). They appear to be mostly similar in appearance, and have white 'earmuffs'. During the ending theme, they ask the phrase 'Warui?' Can someone please identify them? --Threyon 14:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Plot

I came to read a little on what exactly this series is about when I realized how much work the Plot section needed. It lacks a few vital punctuation marks, and has a couple grammar mistakes that make it difficult to read. Could someone fix this? DaniDaniDanica 00:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC) hell no

DearS "Race/People" Section, anyone?...

I'm quite a fan of this series, Manga and Anime formats alike, and I've noticed that this article contains little-to-no information on the DearS as a race, rather than the individual DearS themselves such as Ren or Miu. While I realise the importance of character-specific information, perhaps we should have a section on the DearS as a race, to explain such things as exactly what the DearS are (something I'm not clear on myself... ^_^;;), their abilities, the fact that they are a slave race and such. What are the strange triangular markings on their foreheads that identify them as DearS? What are the differences between the classes of DearS? As an encyclopedia, should Wikipedia not provide such explenations? Glazios 18:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 2007

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The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. To respond to a few of the comments below, the pronunciation is "dears". The dablinks at the top of the page appear to be sufficient for disambiguation purposes; the band is mentioned here, and the term of endearment doesn't have its own article. Dekimasuよ! 06:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dears → DearS — Proper capitalization. —Ppk01 (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Green tickY Support. DearS is the proper "name" --ShakataGaNai (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose' move would clearly go against the WP:MOSTM which states. Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment. A capital S at the end of the word is clearly special treament and is not gramatically correct. --70.48.173.146 (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. I think WP:MOSTM actually endorses this usage. The quote above (Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization...) is possibly misleading, as all the examples given of the application of this principle (REALTOR®, TIME, KISS) are where the brand wishes to use all capitals. On the other hand, later we read Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgement call. CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable: OxyContin or Oxycontin — editor's choice. Still later we read use: eBay is where he bought his iPod (my emphasis). I think the trailing cap is a plus for readability and comprehension, so we should go with it. Andrewa (talk) 08:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
    Comment I'd say this is different from CamelCase. In CamelCase, as in examples such as iPod and eBay, the capital letters set of phonetically distinct parts of the word. I would agree with User:DeLarge below, that the 'S' should be capitalized if and only if the word is pronounced "dear ess". -GTBacchus(talk) 18:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'd say it depends on the pronunciation. If it's pronounced "dears" then no, it should stay where it is, as the capitalized "S" is decorative. If it's pronounced "dear ess", or with some kind of emphasis to stress that the last letter is an abbreviation of something separate from "Dear", then I'd probably support the move, as the current title would probably be misleading to passing readers. --DeLarge (talk) 17:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to Dears (manga) or Dears/DearS (manga) or Dears/DearS (anime and manga) or Dears/DearS (animanga), because "dears" is ambiguous. dears should redirect to dear. 132.205.99.122 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Other examples of this capitalization style on Wikipedia include SuperS and StrikerS. I agree that dears should redirect to dear, but DearS (with the capitalized S) is not ambiguous. Ppk01 11:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
    No, it's not ambiguous, but it is somewhat questionable per WP:MOSTM and WP:MOSCL. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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More episodes

They should've made more episodes ****Rahulnirmal2000

  • sighs* I agree with you. They should have finished the manga adaptation to anime; I wanted to see a lot more of Ren-chan. ****Zhane Masaki

Yup...you've got that right. Of course the manga was still in production at that time, so the remaining episodes would have had to have waited for production to continue after the series was finished in the manga department. As the manga is now finished with production, who knows, maybe we'll see another season of enough episodes to cover the rest of the series to its end.Davinator61 13:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)yeah wanted to see more nakeness of course208.120.179.179 21:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)ŎВŕéáѕɬ but at ep 13 it end when the sis come back so it is like not complete so i wish that there is more —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.155.70 (talk) 02:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Episode Order

The true episode order starting from 10 is:

  • 10 Lets Have an Orgy
  • 11 Do You Want to Experience It?
  • 12 Furthermore it was Hot, and
  • 13 Is it a Golden Ball?

If you have a problem with this order then go watch episode 9 and watch for the preview of the next episode and its title.

--Jeffrey G. Conflict 2552 Producer 06:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The episode order is right. "Is it a Golden Ball?" is an OVA and falls between 9 and 10 if u watch episode 10 u will see a clip from "Is it a Golden Ball?" on the screen behind Rubi. --Aussie 99 (talk) 04:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Story AND Plot?

There is no need for separate Story and Plot sections since they simply restate what the other is saying. If no one objects, I'm going to kill one and rewrite the other to make it more readable. Marshall Stax (talk) 22:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I added hidden comments to that effect back in September, but never did anything else about it (plot summaries aren't my thing). If you'd like to merge the two sections and rewrite as necessary, feel free. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Move

It should be moved to DearS. - Plau 14:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

People who are unfamiliar with DearS keep changing "DearS" to "Dears" because they think the capitalized S is purely stylistic. These people probably think the name is the single word "dears", the plural form of the noun "dear". In actuality, the "S" is pronounced separately, and the "dear" is an adjective. If anything about "DearS" is stylistic, it is the lack of a space. Thus, a completely non-stylized form would be "Dear S". The version without a space is known as CamelCase, and Wikipedia's style guide explicitly allows it. The CamelCase article has many examples of articles with CamelCase titles. The title of this article should be "DearS". The title "Dear S" would also work, but "Dears" is just wrong. Herorev (talk) 07:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree completely with this and have been trying to get it moved but thanks to one moronic user who keeps changing it back, I'm requesting it moved again.Valce (talk) 12:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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Not moved. I think that a move to Dears (manga) might gain support based on the discussion here. I did not see a consensus to actually make that move in this discussion, but on the other hand, there was no opposition. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Dears → DearS — "Dears" is the incorrect format for the name of this series. "DearS" is. Not only is it written this way on the front of every manga, the anime and video game logos were written this way too. Further proof that it wasn't a "purely a stylistic choice by the publisher." can be blatantly seen on the official website of the actual mangakas: http://p-pit.net/dears/index.html. --Valce (talk) 12:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose WP:MOSTM clearly states "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" That means only the first letter is capitalized. The work is pronounced "Dears" instead of "Dear S" and the upper case 'S' is purely a stylistic choice. This is not a case of CamelCase as Dears is neither a compound word or phrase. See also List of Sailor Moon Supers episodes and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Strikers for a very similar cases. —Farix (t | c) 12:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Support You're acting ridiculous. No one has touched this article in about a year so what you're fighting is really quite pointless. This user not only improved the article he made it more accurate. Try Googling "Dears" and see how many other websites use "DearS" as the writing. 12.228.42.254 (talk) 14:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. WP:MOSTM is very clear on this. It is not pronounced "Dear S" but "Dears", therefore it should be lowercase as it is now. It is, in fact, a purely stylistic choice. The logos being written that way does not make it any less so, only more so. Nom seems to misunderstand just what it means - stylistic as in how it is presented. Yes, they write it DearS, but the S has no significant meaning, it is purely written that way for prettiness, same as FUNimation (which is Funimation on Wikipedia).-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose as above, the manual of style clearly rejects imitating unorthodox typography. Logo design is not intended to be imitated when writing the title in ordinary text; doing so makes wikipedia look like a joke. Doceirias (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Support "Dears" is the plural of Dear, and should redirect there, this page is improperly named, either DearS or Dears (manga) is the appropriate title. 76.66.202.219 (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per MOS:TM. I also recommend that DearS be either deleted and salted or have this page move protected. -- allen四names 09:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose per relevant naming conventions. We don't copy non-standard capitalization in article titles. However, the point about this disambiguating to dear makes sense, or some other disambiguation. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib)
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For what it's worth, WP:MOSTM has an exception if the non-standard typography is what the product is actually called in independent reliable English sources; thus eBay. There don't seem to be very many of those here, but that's a question of notability. Surveying them next time this comes up would be very helpful. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 3

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Strong consensus to move, good arguments in favour, and an interesting case of how consensus can change in view of the previous move and two subsequent failed attempts to reverse that move. Andrewa (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


Dears → DearS — I looked upon the previous failed moves with puzzelment. We have eBay and iPod but DearS is not allowed? Off to check up on the policy I went, and it hardly supports the objections raised above. So I asked a question on the policy page here, and there is a consensus that yes, DearS is fine, and people who objected to the move earlier where misreading the policy. So, to summarize: the correct name is of this manga/anime is DearS, not Dears; this is also the name used in 99% of context I can find online, and this name is allowed per our policies. As such, I strongly suggest we move this article to DearS. PS. In case this comes up again, if anybody is going to discuss how the title is pronounced, note that the policy doesn't care - and cite your sources. For the record, I'd pronounce it DearS, with the S being a separate syllable, but I cannot prove this is correct (it does, however, make sense due to the the way it is written, and considering eBay, iPod and such). PS. The outcome of this should be also applied to relevant subarticles, such as List of Dears characters and List of Dears episodes. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Support: MOS:TM addresses this under CamelCase. It says: "CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable." I think this fits both criteria. Most sources use DearS and it makes the trademark more readable, so people don't think it is plural and pronounce it correctly as "dear-S" rather than "dears". –CWenger (talk) 20:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
    • I think that Herorev's explanation back from 2008 makes most sense, but as I wrote above, nobody has cited any sources to how this should be pronounced...and I wonder if there are any, or would we have to rely on (re)watching the series and listening to how the voice actors pronouce it... :) Overall, I think that the point about DearS being official, more recognizable and allowed by our policy is enough anyway. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:30, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support What MOSTM adds: Trademarks in CamelCase are a judgment call. This is permission to use judgment; it is an application of WP:COMMONNAME, which recommends following what independent reliable English sources do; we should let the reader know that he is in the right place. Such evidence as the scattering of sources for this article supply suggests that that is DearS. I await others. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Support: If the title is consistently and widely written in this idiosyncratic manner in primary and secondary sources, I don't see why an encyclopedia should not follow the same convention. Letdorf (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC).
  • Weak Support Having read over WP:Article titles, WP:MOSCAPS, WP:MOSTM, and WP:MOSJAPAN, there does not seem to be a clearcut answer as whether to allow this nonstandard capitalization in the page title. To summarize the arguments:
    • DearS
      • this is the official representation (but we don't put much stock at all in that)
      • it is widely used in English, including non-primary sources; the guidelines emphasize using the "common name" of an entity in English
      • this exception is analogous to that for "iPod" and similar
      • this is CamelCase, which makes our honoring the capitalization a judgment call (whether this is indeed an instance of CamelCase is debatable)
      • this is not extremely abnormal like e.g. BLEACH, [ yellow tail ], Black★Star, CHE.R.RY; the guidelines mostly rally against $¥₥␢∅|5, ALL-CAPS, mIxEd CaPs, and stráñgê typøgråphy; only mixed caps possibly applies here
      • these are "merely/just" guidelines, and thus yield to consensus decisions/judgments
    • Dears
      • this is normal English capitalization, which we follow by default unless persuaded by a strong, sound argument; all the guidelines agree on and strongly emphasize this
      • nontrivially abnormal stylization is to be avoided
    • However, on balance, the DearS argument seems slightly stronger. --Cybercobra (talk) 03:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support some move. Dears (manga) or DearS. "Dears" itself should redirect to the disambiguation page, since it is the plural of "dear". 64.229.100.45 (talk) 05:08, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support as the secondary sources seem to use the capital "S", indicating it is the common name, not just the stylistic typography of the trademark holder. And because I believe over-strict enforcement of MOSTM to titles of creative works is poor, as the artistic decisions of the creators shouldn't be dismissed. oknazevad (talk) 06:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
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Non-free image

The cover art used in the infobox is a non-free image and has no rationale for use on the image page. I went looking for it to update it to reflect the move and it's not there.

This is quite serious. As this page is the only use of the image, it qualifies for deletion unless a rationale is posted. I'm fairly sure the use is valid, it's just a matter of someone taking the trouble to document it.

I'll get around to it eventually, or if someone else wants to do it that would be very good. Andrewa (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't know what you're talking about; a rationale was/is definitely present. I went ahead and updated it. --Cybercobra (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Quite right, don't know how I missed it... browser glitch or brain glitch (;-> are my pet theories. Anyway, it's there and updated, that's what matters. Andrewa (talk) 15:44, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Subsidiary pages

Also moved:

in response to a request from the proposer of the above successful RM. Andrewa (talk) 06:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

No, that'd be User:Piotrus... --Cybercobra (talk) 08:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Quite right, I stand corrected! Andrewa (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Home planet?

On using the article for reference recently, I noticed something that stuck out to me as odd:

"Forced to crash land into Tokyo Bay when, en route to their home planet of Thanatos, their spacecraft breaks down,..."

Where did that information on a 'DearS home planet' come from? Admittedly it's been a while since I last read the manga, but I don't remember any mention of a home planet, or its name, therein; being a fanfiction writer, that kind of detail would be important to me and I would have made a note of it, but I don't remember any character, or part of the prose, ever mentioning a home planet, or the fact that the DearS actually had a home planet.

Supporting this, I'd like to point out two things, stated by the story itself:

  • Firstly, the story states that the 150 DearS whose ship crashed on Earth, were the last-remaining survivors of a war which consumed their former host-planet and its people. The story also suggests that the spacecraft crashed into Tokyo Bay because gravity had pulled it into Earth-orbit after it had drifted in space for an indeterminate period; this contradicts the article's assertion that the ship had been moving toward a specific destination, this 'home planet of Thanatos', when its engines inexplicably malfunctioned, causing it to crash.
  • Secondly, in the later chapters of the manga, the character Fina states that the DearS as a race are symbiotically dependant, emotionally-speaking, on other races for their survival, and so their race moved from host-planet to host-planet over the course of many generations; this suggests that the DearS race would be naturally nomadic and did not have a distinct place of origin or home-planet of their own, to which they could return in-order to flee the war, leading to their choosing to settle on Earth.

So, all that considered, where did this information concerning a planet called 'Thanatos' come from, and who put it in the article? I went through the article's edit history, but I can't seem to find when that point was put in, so it must have been a good while back. Also, the source of the information isn't cited, so I don't know where to look it up for myself; Google search has proved fruitless as everything points back to this article as a source of information. I would be much obliged if someone could help me find the source of this information on a home planet and its name, for the sake of verification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glazios (talk • contribs) 13:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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