Talk:David Rubitsky

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Complaint[edit]

Did Rubitsky himself write this article? It has moved beyond biased and into outright propaganda. The Army did a thorough investigation. Many, many soldiers who served with him testified. A large majority said the entire story was a "fairy tale".

Can someone fix this article? It leaves a very, VERY misleading impression on readers who have not already read the history of Rubitsky.

I probably posted this in the wrong place or something, and I apologize for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.222.124 (talk) 05:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, Rubitsky did not write the article. I did, and since I'm still alive, obviously I ain't him. Where's the propaganda? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The propaganda is in some sense treating the story more seriously than it deserves to be and somewhat a matter of omission of the many strange things said by those involved in this matter. Take for example Herbert A. Smith. The claim is not JUST that he was an anti-semite and denied the medal for that reason. Beyond just that, Smith claimed that Rubitsky put a gun to Mott's head to save Smith's life:
"Then, Col. John Mott pointed a pistol at the back of my head. I'm sure he would have killed me, but Sgt. David Rubitsky put his pistol to Col. John Mott's head and told him if he killed me, he would kill him. It seemed like a lifetime before Col. John Mott put his pistol back in his holster. He told Sgt. David Rubitsky told him he would never live to court martial him. Col. John Mott never mentioned it again. Col. John Mott was in the wrong for pointing a pistol at the back of my head to kill me, I'm positive of that. I never thanked Sgt. David Rubitsky for saving my life from that maniac. Sgt. David Rubitsky never brought it up to me or even mentioned it to anybody." [1]
For those who look hard enough, its also possible to find Rubitsky claiming that he killed 200 additional Japanese in an incident in the Phillipines, that he took like around seven machine gun nests single handed and that he personally and single-handedly took out a Japanese tank with a flamethrower. There was also the gradual elaboration of the story on each telling. When he was awarded his honorary MBE in 2001, for example, he was claiming that in addition to everything else he had been shelled during the incident to a degree that he was bleeding out of his mouth and ears from the concussion.[2]

This is a case where the less that is reported about his claims and things that he has said, the better he looks. Its not that the article is terrible or one-sided. Its perhaps just slightly too fair to him as the army itself was during the investigation. 184.63.149.199 (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MBE Appointment - Missing Citation[edit]

Is there an editor more familiar with the subject who can cite the publication of the appointment as a Honorary Member of the Civil Division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in the London Gazette?

  1. The Papua New Guinea Embassy story cited does not state a date of appointment however does say the man who, 57 years earlier' (para 5) puts the appointment in 1999.
  2. A search of the London Gazette from 1 September 1939 to 1 December 2012 has only a single listing (not related to the subject) on any of these names Rebetsky, Rebeski, Rubetsky, Rubetski, Rebitsky, Rebitski, Rubitsky or Rubitski.

Facts

  1. The Government of Papua New Guinea publish their Honours List in the London Gazette.
  2. Mr Rubitsky is not mentioned as an Honorary MBE in the following Honours Lists

I have no opinion on the merits of this award, my concern is simply with finding the citation.

Karl Stephens (talk) 03:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Honorary awards of the Order of the British Empire are seldom published in the London Gazette. The Order of the British Empire is an award for meritorious service recommended by Commonwealth governments that participate in the British honours system. Most Commonwealth governments eg India and Canada have there own national honours systems but a dozen or so countries, most with population less than one million still use the British honours system. If the PNG Embassy states that an honorary award has been presented to Mr Rubitsky then I would accept that advice. I would go back to the Embassy or contact the Governor General of PNG for details on when the award was presented to Mr Rubitsky. I have deleted the letter MBE after his name since honorary awards do not attract post nominals. Anthony Staunton (talk) 11:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The presentation ceremony was May 22, 2001 in Wisconsin. Sir. Nagora Y Bogan, KBE presented it. The form of presentation was "HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND HAS - AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE INDEPENDENT STATE OF PAPUA NEW GUINEA - APPOINTED YOU TO BE A HONORARY MBE OF THE MOST EXCELLENT ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE." The important thing to note is that the award was honorary and at the recommandation of PNG. It should not be presented as if he had been given a actual MBE or that the British government stood behind his story. This information comes from Rubitsky's old website which is now gone, but which can be still observed. 184.63.149.199 (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

some comments about Rubitsky[edit]

I've always somewhat thought that Rubitsky had invented himself into the role of one of the true heroes of the battle. Within a short time of Rubitsky's claimed action, Herman Bottcher, a Sergeant, led twelve men across a creek under mortar fire into the heart of elaborate Japanese defenses. He stood up under fire to allow his men to advance and gradually drove a wedge between the Japanese beach defenses and the village. Afterward the men dug in and formed a position that would have seemed impossible to hold. Bottcher had a blown eardrum and was wounded by that point. He was overall wounded twice. It was estimated that He and the twelve men caused over a hundred Japanese casualties. He was given a DSC and promoted to captain. He died later in the war and was forgotten by some.

There is also a broader context to his MBE. In 1996 he started talking to people in PNG about doing a film there. He dropped the name of Julian Krainin who had been a producer on the film "quiz show". He made a trip to PNG in 2000 and at the end of that trip, he issued a press release saying that the film project had collapsed due to threats on his life in PNG.

This information was provided in terms of the spirit of improving the article. It does not suggest any specific changes to the article. 184.63.149.199 (talk) 18:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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