Talk:Critical Role campaign three

Critical Recap?

Would it be appropriate to link to the Critical Recap for each episode in the episode table? It seems like it might be a handy resource, but is that considered extraneous information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professionalecho (talk • contribs) 11:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:EL is the relevant guideline as to why this isn't appropriate. It could be useful for anyone writing an episode synopsis wanting to make sure they've got the major beats without having to rewatch 3-5 hours of content. Little pob (talk) 13:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Cast order

I've reorganised the cast list to reflect the order they are in within the credits – rather than (presumably) the order that the characters were introduced. This is inline with TV shows where the credit order changes between seasons (see the cast order differences between seasons of House and CSI). Little pob (talk) 13:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Redirects

I've set up the redirects for the party name:

• Bells Hells - used by all but one news article on a search of Google News
• Bell's Hells - although grammatically correct, have tagged as "redirect from incorrect name", because it's only used by one WP:RS as best I could find

Little pob (talk) 09:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Character deaths in cast list

There's no current source that E34 was Laudna's last episode – no one in the cast has made an announcement. Until the cast makes an announcement or it comes up in a future episode (ex: Marisha Ray introduces a new character, etc), then it is just plot speculation and shouldn't be in the cast list. The IP editor who keeps adding this speculation did this for previous character deaths who were immediately resurrected in the following episode. If Ray sits out a few episodes while the cast goes on a resurrection quest, this can be noted in the notes for the specific episodes. But we shouldn't treat E34 as a definitive last episode for Laudna until confirmation. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Following up on this, in terms of media coverage, CBR has two articles that mention the ambiguity of what happens next:

• Critical Role Actor Offers a One-Fingered Salute to Costar's Coded Message (9/22/22; published before E35): Keyleth, Ray's druid from Campaign 1's Vox Machina, still looms as a prominent figure in the world of Critical Role and has a connection to Liam O'Brien's current character, Orym of the Air Ashari. For this reason, Keyleth's name has been floated out among the Bells Hells as a possible path to save Laudna. Some fans have speculated that Ray will return to the table as Keyleth in the interim, as Laudna's fate still lies in the balance. Only time will tell whether Ray will return as Laudna, Keyleth or an entirely new character, but it may take several episodes for fans to know for sure. With the most prominent character death of Campaign 2, it took a few episodes after Molly's demise for player Talison Jaffe to return, taking a new role as the druid Caduceus.
• Critical Role Fans Celebrate [SPOILER]'s Shocking and Unique Return (9/23/22; published after E35): In the party's back-and-forth messages and Keyleth's eventual arrival at the end of the episode, the druid leader was played by Dungeon Master Matthew Mercer. With Ray no longer having a seat at the game table as Laudna, many hoped Keyleth's arrival would see Ray stepping into her former Vox Machina role for the time being. Keyleth only appeared to the Bells Hells in person at the end of the session, transporting them to Laudna's former home of Whitestone. While this does not entirely rule out the possibility that Ray could step into the role during the next episode, it will depend on how Mercer and the Critical Role team decide to narratively handle the return of Vox Machina player characters.

Both CBR articles make it clear that we don't know what's going to happen next (such as Ray returning as Laudna, Ray reprising her C1 character Keyleth or introducing an entirely new character). Making E34 the final episode in the cast list for Laudna is speculation. I think it should be treated like Ashley's absences in the Critical Role (campaign two) article where it isn't tracked in the cast list and is instead noted in the episode list section. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Not speculation, it's simply saying that her character died in Ep. 34 and should addressed as such. Now if her character does come back then it should be added when she comes back. Editmaster4 (talk) 01:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Editmaster4: Needed to review MOS:TVCAST for another article and came across this: The cast listing should not contain an episode count, e.g. (6 episodes) or (episodes 1–6), to indicate the number of episodes in which the actor or character appeared. If an actor misses an episode due to a real-world occurrence, such as an injury that prevents them from appearing, this info can be noted in the character's description or "Production" section with a reliable source. I'm going to fix this in the other campaign articles first but wanted to ping you before updating here to avoid an edit war. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Special guest

Any objection to moving Robbie to a new "special guest" section per the ComicBook.com source? Asking as not all sources discussing C3 guests call Robbie a special guest, but I'm not seeing any other guests described as "special" in the few sources I checked. Little pob (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

No objections, have actioned. (Either sticks or prompts discussion.) Little pob (talk) 17:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Definitely missed your original post so thanks for flagging again! I think that source is using "special" as a descriptor (ie. something like "look who's here as a special guest") rather than using the more formal TV credit role distinguisher. I don't think he needs to be under a separate heading from the other guests. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Have reverted.[1] I'm pretty sure the folks at WP:TV said local consensus should be established for cast lists of web series without a traditional credit sequence. That said; ComicBook.com is the only source that describes Robbie's stint as a "special guest", but is no more reliable and carries no more weight than the other sources. Little pob (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, and it may also be more relevant on how the show itself lists him? 2601:240:E200:3B60:519:A549:3BB4:9D5D (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, whilst other CRP shows do, the main show doesn't list production credits. The opening title card sequence doesn't say "starring"; meaning that, whilst the intro for early C3 episodes did include Robbie, there's no conclusions that can be drawn from them. There's no "outro" credits sequence at the end of the show, listed in the YouTube description box (beyond the music licensing), or on the CR website (that I could find). Here's probably the most pertinent section of the MOS:TVCAST guideline: If reliable sources cannot adequately distinguish between recurring or guest roles, then local consensus should determine their status. Little pob (talk) 10:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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