Talk:Chronological list of men's major golf champions

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Shane Ryan (15 December 2021). "How one golf writer/hero saved Wikipedia's list of men's major winners from extinction". Golf Digest. Retrieved 15 December 2021. One of the best resources for a golf fan or a golf writer on the internet—maybe the best?—is Wikipedia's chronological list of men's major winners. ... And then they tried to take it away.

Metal count[edit]

This metal count seems biased towards the modern era. The list goes back to 1860, but The Masters wasn't started until 1934, the PGA wasn't considered a major event until sometime after that, and getting across the Atlantic wasn't very easy until the 1960s. For a 100 of the 150 years the list spans, the achievements of an era's greatest players is under-represented.

It is a list of chronological list of professional major champions, not a "list of the greatest golfers" and hopefully people won't interpret it as such. I'll add the word "professional" to the introduction. Mowsbury 12:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology of majors[edit]

The majors weren't always played in their current order. The Masters has been played in March and April, the U.S. Open has been played in every month from June to November, the Open Ch. has been played (since 1894) in May, June, and July, and the PGA Ch. has been played in every month except January, March, and April.

Here's a list of the order in which the majors were played each year. M=Masters, U=U.S. Open, O=Open Ch., P=PGA Ch. Sources: www.golfstats.com, www.pgamediaguide.com, www.proquest.com newspaper accounts.

(Add this table to article?)

Years	Order
1860-1894	O
1895-1909	OU
1910-1911	UO
1912-1914	OU
1915	U
1916	UP
1917-1918	-
1919	UP
1920-1923	OUP
1924-1925	UOP
1926	OUP
1927	UOP
1928-1932	OUP
1933	UOP
1934-1936	MUOP
1937	MPUO
1938-1939	MUOP
1940-1941	MUP
1942	MP
1943	-
1944-1945	P
1946	MUOP
1947	MUPO
1948-1949	MPUO
1950-1953	MUPO
1954-1970	MUOP
1971	PMUO
1972-2018	MUOP
2019	MPUO
2020	PUM
2021-	MPUO

Inclusion of "by year" table[edit]

At the suggestion of moderators on the List of men's major championships winning golfers page, I've added the far superior table of winners by year to the top of this article. There has been some discussion (pedantic, in my view, but never mind) of background colors. If changes need to be made to the colors, please leave the current version up as a resource until such changes are made. -ShaneRyan, Dec. 11, 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneRyan12 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The background color issue might seem pedantic to him. However, its a bit like holing that one-inch putt in a stroke-play competition. rules are rules and the background colors failed MOS:COLOR. Also the above gives the impression that he wrote the table, which is a million miles from the truth. Nigej (talk) 19:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ShaneRyan12 didn't follow the directions at WP:COPYWITHIN, but being a new editor, he probably didn't know about it. He wrote a fun article about his WP-experiences though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, if it encourages a few new editors or even one good one, it'll be all for the good. And we can forgive him for the lack of etiquette. Nigej (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 February 2022[edit]

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Not moved. See a fairly rough consensus below to leave these article titles where they are. Thanks and kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Editing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 20:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Not moved. See a fairly rough consensus below to leave these article titles where they are. Thanks and kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Editing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 20:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Request move to match other "list of champions" articles such as List of Super Bowl champions or List of Grand Slam men's singles champions. I originally made this move BOLDly but was reverted as there could be a confusion between the new name of this article and List of men's major championships winning golfers. I'm not sure where to move the other page, but I can see a potential confusion (one article is a list of champions by year and the other is a list of the # of major winners). On 2nd thought, I actually think the 2nd page could be merged into the first, as some of the other pages do something similar. Natg 19 (talk) 08:49, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rather confusingly, Chronological list of LPGA major golf champions has a different focus than this men's article and does not have a year by year list, but only has a list of winners by their first win date. Natg 19 (talk)

Yes. That is a consequence of this discussion in December 2021; this is how the article looked before then. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a reference, this is the equivalent for tennis.....

* List of Grand Slam men's singles champions

* Chronological list of men's Grand Slam tennis champions

So you do think that the women's article should be formatted the same as the current men's article? From what I can see, the "chronological list" actually exists right now under the By Player section of Chronological list of men's major golf champions and the List of men's major championships winning golfers seems to be as a superfluous list. Natg 19 (talk) 09:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merging the two articles would create an article that's too unwieldy and large in my eyes. I think the current situation is probably the best one and we remove the by player section from the chronological list. NapHit (talk) 13:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Mainly on the basis of the recent discussion noted above. I'd don't find the two Tennis ones noted, at all satisfactory. Full of meaningless colours and dull stats. Personally I'd be happy to get rid of the List of men's major championships winning golfers#By country section. Nigej (talk) 14:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't the suggested redirect or merger is the right way to go. Bringing the chronological list up to featured standard should be a priority and something I'll try and do. Both articles have their merits and are fine as separate entities in my eyes. I'd remove the by player section from the chronological list, as it doesn't add anything that we don't already have in the men's major championships list. I'd also keep the by country section in that list as it provides a useful summary for the reader. NapHit (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My issue with the "by country" is because of doubts about the sporting nationality of certain players. Jim Barnes for instance is down as English. While he was often referred to as English in American newspapers, he was at the same time regarded by the British newspapers as an American and indeed played for the US in 1926 and would have played in 1921 had he not been "indisposed". Things were sometimes not so clear in the old days. Nigej (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.