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Merge from Electric vehicle network

The Electric vehicle network lists many installations by Better Place and Coulomb Technologies' ChargePoint, however, this article has more technical information. Merging the two articles would provide readers a more complete picture. —sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I reversed the direction of the merge as the geographic distribution of the electric vehicle networks is discussed in more detail in the electric vehicle network article. This article, charging station, will presumably focus more on the charging stations themselves. sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Technical issues

Circutor defines: [1]

  • semi-fast (aka simple fast) as 230V/III (three phase), 7,2 kW, 63A
  • ultrafast: 400V/III, 42 kW, 63A.

Is that right?. --Nudecline (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

resource WSJ

Charging Stations Multiply But Electric Cars Are Few by JAMES R. HAGERTY And MIKE RAMSEY October 17, 2011 97.87.29.188 (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Wrong info at Charging time.

The Table seen at Charging_station#Charging_time is flat out wrong, or at least misleading/incomplete. There are 240 volt Charging Stations that can supply more than ~32 Amps. The catch is that SOME vehicle's internal charger can not take more than 32 Amps. This may not always be the case. There could very well be vehicles out there now that can take more than 32 Amps at 240 volts. The chart needs fixing, or at least clarification.

Having said all this, it is true that 32 Amps is the largest COMMON size of 240 volt charging stations, in the U.S..
LP-mn (talk) 14:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


Problem with existing "Designers" section

I'm either confused by, or "have a beef with" the below three sections (I can't decide which):

  • List of EV Charging Station Designers
    • Slow Charge
    • Fast & Slow Charge

I _HOPE_ that this should be corrected to "Level 1", "Level 2" (and "Level 3" when available). If this is not what it's supposed to read, then I don't follow the meaning of these sections.
LP-mn (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Lists of EV Charging Station Appliances

BTW, I should also mention that in the near future I hope to make a separate article that is just two lists of the charging stations themselves. If you want to see the EARLY stages of this page, go to my sandbox at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LP-mn/Sandbox#Lists_of_EV_Charging_Station_Appliances.
LP-mn (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I am trying to add a new company name (Andromeda Power) to this list of manufacturer section, however this has been removed. I understand the concern that Wikipedia cannot list advertisement links, nevertheless this specific section IS a list of external links. Therefore I don't understand the reason why the link to Andromeda has been removed (twice). Giubbolini (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Charge points - not related to EVs

Charging station currently unequivocally points here. There are "charge points" for phones and portable electronics littered through modern airports - and conference centers nowadays. Not a massively interesting topic, but they do exist. For purposes of encyclopedia, i think a separate topic should be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savuporo (talk • contribs) 04:51, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I removed some more spam links. Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 07:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Excessive Lead section

The Lead section was too long, so I have created a new section under "Overview", as there is enough content on the topic of the status of charging stations globally.--Soulparadox (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

"battery-switching" VS "Battery swapping"

What is the correct naming? Is one of both a trademark and the other one the generic term?

Unfortunately I couldn't find any information online :-( I guess there is a wikipedia guidline how to handle different names for one thing. Currently the article Better Place uses "battery-switching" and Battery_swapping#Battery_swapping uses "Battery swapping".

Any help?

87.174.239.26 (talk) 12:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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OK, what have we got here

I just stumbled across this article this evening, and went once through it. Much of what I wanted to say, I put into the edit summaries. There's a lot more to do here. First we need to decide what is this article going to be about.

"Charging station" has quickly become the term for the box that recharges the car, so that's what this should focus on. The box may be at home, or elsewhere. This article should mention the connector standards and the Level I/II/III hierarchy (my big worry is there might be other articles covering these). It would be great if it started with a picture of the charging station, the cable, and the car.

I suggest it is mainly about recharging electric cars, but it strays into compressed air and hydrogen power once or twice. If those two are 'in scope', they need to be introduced and allowed for throughout, or given a specific section called 'Alternatives to electricity' or something like that.

Secondly, are we talking about municipal, on-street or in-car-park charging that may be subsidised or free; or commercial, hotel, work-place and shopping centre ventures? Or is it what existing filling stations will do when no-one wants petrol any more? Or is it out on the trans-continental highways? Or is it charging your commuter at home? I think all of the above and more, but we need a plan and we need to cover these things in some kind of pattern, not randomly - remembering one or two of them here and forgetting them again there.

What about electric commercial vehicles? Electric bicycles and electric motor bikes?

Are we talking about the future, or the present? Some of this is happening, but much of it is hardly even invented yet. Some of it is easy to understand, but the press releases make it sound like super-advanced rocket science while the wise-guys try to create some corporate funding for old tech. Just about all commercial EVs on the road use lead-acid so this cannot be written off as out of date. Things like pumped electrolyte are way in the future, the realistic short term includes lithium technologies probably. This needs organising and covering in some kind of logical way.

Phew. --Nigelj (talk) 22:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on it. The articles about two of the charging standards SAE J1772 and CHAdeMO are getting into shape. Merging deployment to Electric vehicle network is a lot of work. -- Skierpage (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the one or two references to hydrogen fuel cells are distracting and should be removed. This article should be about electric charging stations, not other alternatives to fossil fuels. Also, in regards to the level hierarchy, only "level 2" is explicitly referenced in the article. Thus it is unclear what levels truly mean or their significance. It is also tacked onto a list of other various standards related to chargin stations and thus gets lost. It seems that the article bounces all over the place.--Bvanopij (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC)


I am thinking of posting a photo I took of a large public charging station that was installed at the Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland WA. Not only are there EV charging stations, but they are powered by a 120kW Solar Array. Would this be a photo that would be welcome on this page? If I hear nothing, I will go ahead and post it. BTW, this is my first time editing Wikipedia, so I may be making a fatal mistake... correct me if I am wrong, please! Ikelewis678 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Missing Citations

There are missing citations throughout the article. In the "Contexts" section, there should be a citation for "a strong recognition of the need for standardization". There are missing citations within the "Safety" and "Standards" sections. The subsections for the "Gogoro Energy Network" and "BattSwap" within the "Battery swapping" section need citations. --Bvanopij (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

New structure

At the moment I think this article is a bit of a mess. I say that to invite someone to disagree, otherwise I'll probably have a shot at restructuring. In doing so, I'll attempt not to delete or add any information besides introductory paragraphs/overviews - since I won't want to do anything contentious on the content itself. Of course if for some reason time has passed and while no-one has disagreed, I also haven't done it - it would be great if someone could.

My preliminary thoughts are that a novice reader won't know where to start - and getting an answer "what should I be looking for if I'm going to get an EV" is not easy to answer. "What the hell is J1772, CCS, Chademo, AEC...."... we don't answer that well here. I would think that we could reposition the article to focus on charging in 3 ways - residential (how do I charge in my home), commercial (2-8 hours charge-while-parked - at work, malls, parking stations, caravan parks), and fast charging (ideally a 30minute "refuelling alternative" - CCS, Chademo, Tesla Superchargers). Actually probably add CARBS newest "200 miles in 15 minutes" as an unmet goal, but put battery swap in that section.

Then other issues are either subsets of those chargers, or a section on "related issues". Renewable energy, smart grid communication.

There are problems with my breakdown though. Many public charging stations are actually quite slow (as the speed of charging is growing very quickly). Today's "fast charger" is tomorrow's slow charger. A bunch of charging stations in Sydney show 6.7kW - charge 2 hours for 40 miles of range - but they don't fall into "charge while parked" definitions. And yet some sweeping statements are needed to contextualise everything.

Anyone have a better suggestion? Greg (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

The list of Charging Station Manufacturers seems out of place where it currently is. I agree that all of the jargon and model numbers are confusing. If they are important, Chademo for example, they should have a proper explanation before they referenced multiple times throughout the article. I feel like the "Related Technologies" section can be incorporated into a section talking about the charging stations in the various countries. I know that I came to this article wanting to know more about charging station networks and specifically the Tesla supercharger network in the US. I feel like the article could benefit from talking a bit more about systems in the US. Also, since this article isn't discussing station networks, I feel we should have a link in the disambiguation so that people can learn about that if that's what they came for. --Bvanopij (talk) 01:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Note on the "chargepoint" name

The situation with the "chargepoint" name turned out to be interesting. In the US, "ChargePoint" is the name of a charging network and they trademarked it. But in the UK, a "charge point" is often used as a generic name. You may remember the edits by User:ChargePoint. - Yuhong (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

EV Charger Module

the charge module for the EV charger is a main component for a key function. with this this description, it can help to understand the charger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel.xie.sz (talk • contribs) 10:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

The EV charger uses a converter to convert the AC power into the DC power needed. There are two type of convert solution , one is to use one piece of converter, the other is a modular converter, which is a “EV Charger Module”. Multiple charger modules parallel together for one EV charger.

The advantage of charger module is that it can flexibly compose EV charger of different powers; the damage of single module does not affect the continuation operation of other modules, this improves the reliability ; charger module is also easy to maintain, it is usually designed as plug&play , and the weight is suitable for a single person to install. Modular charging module is also easy to standardize for mass production.

The charger modules power segment as 15 kw, 20 kW and 30 kw at present, which can form 50-60 kw, 120-150 kW and 240 kw-350 kW EV charger respectively.

The output characteristics of the charger module is rapid development, from the initial partial constant current (from 350V-750V) to the full range constant current (50V-750V), and now going to wide range constant power(300V-1000V).

The highest efficiency point of most charger modules are from 94% to 96%. With the different load , the efficiency varies. Generally, the efficiency under half load will be significantly reduced.

The mainstream charger module is fen force cooling. The heat generates by the charger module is so much, The EV charger mostly is designed as fen force cooling too, and the ingress protection level is generally IP54. Outdoor air flow into the charger module affects the reliability, many solution to increase the environment protection level, one of them is the liquid cooling, charger modules with liquid cooling system bring the higher cost. Some solutions are focus on the charger system, still use the fen force cooling charger module, to increase the charger system to IP65 level with some kind of heat exchange is succeed. With the heat exchange, the air flow of the charger module is not exchanged with outside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel.xie.sz (talk • contribs) 10:12, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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Charging station types

Where do these types come from? Without a proper source / authority the definitions seem rather arbitrary, particularly type 4. -- H005 (talk) 17:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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