Talk:Cesar Chavez/Archive 2

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reverse chronology

I think the timeline section lists things in reverse chronological order and is a violation of: MOS:LOW. I think that if this code:

DateFormat = yyyy
Period = from:1927 till:1996
TimeAxis = orientation:vertical

is instead changed to read:

DateFormat = yyyy
Period = from:1927 till:1996
TimeAxis = orientation:vertical order:reverse

then the list of works MOS violation could be fixed. 12.208.10.7 (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Good suggestion - done. -- Scray (talk) 11:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request on 31 March 2013

There's a "citation needed" on information relating UFW membership falling in the 1970's. It may be more relevant to change that sentence to say that membership had declined to below 6000 by 2012 and cite the following source http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/june-22-2012/united-farm-workers-50th-anniversary/11407/

Jtgelt (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It seems more notable that membership supposedly went from 50k to 15k in a decade...the 6k stat is over a much longer period, so doesn't capture that apparent steep initial dropoff. Of course, we still need a proper reference for the 15k claim. The ref you gave also says 80k in the 1970s rather than 50k, but that may still be valid since the 50k in the article just says CA/FL. (Plus, the PBS ref is an interview, and not a great source given the format...it's unclear if the reporter is repeating the interviewee, or citing her book...which would probably be a good source itself.) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 00:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Done Mdann52 (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Google Doodle and Controversy

Should mention be included on this biography of Google recognizing Mr. Chavez's birthday on Easter Sunday with a "doodle" and the resulting controversy? Or perhaps the controversy would be more relevant to a specific article(s) pertaining to Google Doodles (or "par for the course" whenever there are conflicting dates commemorated by Google changing their logo)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.80.184 (talk) 20:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC) | Oh, good, autosign took care of it, I'd realized and went back to "sign" post and then received edit conflict. :-D 98.70.80.184 (talk) 21:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that doesn't belong on this page at all, as it's severe WP:RECENTISM and not really notable here. But it definitely belongs in List of Google Doodles in 2013; it's already there, but needs some editing. The mention that Cesar Chavez != Hugo Chávez also isn't needed, which was added and removed a couple times, since the only "confusion" is that Michelle Malkin and her followers can't tell distinct names apart: [1]. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 00:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Understandable viewpoint on including the controversy surrounding Google Doodle commemorating the birthday of Mr. Chavez as (potentially) being a case of WP:RECENTISM. However, insofar as merely mentioning the Google Doodle in this article about Mr. Chavez, on the List of Google Doodles in 2013 a quick glance of individuals similarly "honored" by the gesture by Google indicates six of eight biographies include mention of the Google Doodle in various ways. Thus far in 2013, these include: Frank Zamboni, Mary Leakey, Jagit Singh, George Washington Gale Ferris, Jr., Miriam Makeba, Douglas Adams. The biographical articles for Nicolaus Copernicus and Edward Gorey (both also receiving a Google Doodle commemoration in 2013) do not seem to mention the "award" presently (or yet?). 98.70.80.184 (talk) 01:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point, and there's some stuff in the "Legacy" section that doesn't seem any more notable than a Google Doodle is. I added it in, without mentioning the controversy but wikilinking to the appropriate Google Doodle page, which does mention the controversy. Pretty much all the refs I easily found do mention the controversy (though I'm guessing we could find a tech magazine-type ref that doesn't), but that part still doesn't seem notable for inclusion on the Cesar Chavez article itself. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 02:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) We must've been editing at the same time, as I received another "conflict" notice and will include what else I'd wanted to add after this post. 98.70.80.184 (talk) 02:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

To wit: As for making no mention of Cesar Chavez not being Hugo Chávez (nor Julio César Chávez! :-P), agreed, nor had I suggested or asked such a thing. And, what the reasonable post asking if mention of a Google Doodle should or could be included has to do with Michelle Malkin and/or possibly taking a jibe at her "followers" on this talk page would best be addressed by whomever made the edits as to whether or not Ms. Malkin had anything to do with their decisions to make such a distinction between the two notable individuals with same last name (albeit and of course not the same person nor related even) -- or, perhaps by 2001:db8::, as the edit summaries may not have stated a thing about Ms. Malkin whereas the talk page most certainly does. 98.70.80.184 (talk) 02:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't suggesting you had, I was just too lazy to edit the talk page just for that. :) To clarify, I was referring to her Twitter followers (per the Buzzfeed link above) and not to anyone here, just to note the "common misconception" that was referred to in the edit history had most notably been by Malkin. (I did find some other mentions of confused tweets when Obama designated a Chavez site as a monument: [2], but a few people failing at Twitter does not seem notable enough...) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 03:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Understood, didn't think the talk about Michelle Malkin necessarily pertained to my query, and somewhat curious myself as to what explanations exist for the "confusion"... I'd glanced at the link you posted (to Buzzfeed) with her tweet to article on "Twitchy", seeing how the original headline apparently had erroneously stated "Hugo" rather than "Cesar"... although her tweet was made several hours after Twitchy headline was updated (per correction on Buzzfeed article, well as noted on the article and page title/headline on Twitchy), so perhaps nothing to do with her making the error, could've been a "staffer" and she corrected them, or the erroneous original Buzzfeed article (since corrected)... who knows... obviously some of her followers or others viewing original, incorrect, Twitchy headline or erroneous Buzzfeed article may have not seen the corrections prior to those being made, nor noticed "correction" posted later. The "controversy" may be or seems to be primarily Twitter related, although at least one article mentioned a possible reason for Google choosing (their perogative) to commemorate Mr. Chavez on Easter Sunday as it was afterall also "Cesar Chavez Day" -- "last year President Obama did happen to decree that March 31 would be known as Cesar Chavez Day. He asked all of America's citizens to 'observe this day with appropriate service, community and education programs.'"[3] -- and Google typically does not "celebrate" an event or holiday yearly with the "Doodles" preferring to "...feature an historical event or influential figure that we haven't in the past."[4][5] and Google did commemorate Easter back in 2000. My thoughts are this will be short-lived ("recentism"), at least until next "controversy" stirred by instantaneous tweets (of "rants") circling the globe. Thankfully, I'm too lazy to keep up with such things. :-P Hopefully you had a Happy Easter and/or Cesar Chavez Day... Cheers! 98.70.80.184 (talk) 06:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Being in a google-doodle has no place in wikipedia. It's simple trivia. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:48, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

And who will handle editing ALL the articles which mention Google Doodle commemorations to remove the verbiage (as was recently done on the Cesar Chavez article)? Based on the number of articles including this information, seems as if there are numerous editors in agreement as to whether the "simple trivia" belongs in Wikipedia, or is significant enough to warrant inclusion as has been done repeatedly. 98.70.80.184 (talk) 06:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, maybe you're correct that most of wikipedia wants that info included in every article. Lets get some other editors to chime in on its validity as an encyclopedic entry. I'll post to the bio project to see what they think. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

-note- I added this discussion to Project Biography talk to see what some others may think. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding discussion to see what others think about this subject! A few thoughts crossing my mind follow... Depending on perspective, could much of the content in encyclopedic articles not be described as "trivia"? Is the information non-factual concerning the Doodle commemorating Mr. Chavez by Google? Does the commemoration by Google not qualify as being notable (does everyone and everything get their own Google Doodle)? Would disallowing inclusion of the commemoration of Mr. Chavez' birthday and/or "Cesar Chavez Day" while numerous biographies have such information included (6 of 8 for individuals similarly having their own "Google Doodle" thus far for only the year 2013, i.e. meaning all I had briefly reviewed for this year alone) be a disservice to his legacy? Is not the term "trivia" related to "popular culture" and is this very project, i.e. Wikipedia, not also part of popular culture? What should next be excluded from Wikipedia articles as being "simple trivia" and how long before such articles become barren of information or are far less comprehensive due to disallowing inclusion of notable events or details? Due to the Google Doodle how many people possibly visited the Cesar Chavez article on Wikipedia? (at least one person did) And, would this not be notable enough for inclusion in the article or instead be deemed irrelevant? Would a building at a university named after Mr. Chavez and this possibly unknown to the vast majority of inhabitants of the world be more notable than a Doodle potentially viewed by tens of millions of people, or which is more "trivial" exactly? 98.70.80.184 (talk) 09:36, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Google doodle itself says "Doodles are the fun, surprising, and sometimes spontaneous changes that are made to the Google logo to celebrate holidays, anniversaries and the lives of famous artists, pioneers and scientists." It's been changed a bunch over the years. And just because it can be sourced doesn't make it wiki-worthy. You can google Serena Willams shoe size and get thousands upon thousands of hits... that doesn't mean we include it in her biography. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Again, based on numerous articles mentioning a Google Doodle to "celebrate" the particular subject matter, it seems to me many editors in the Wikipedia community agree on the "notability" else would not have included reference of having been so honored. After this post, I will likely bow out and let the regular editors hash it out, since far as I'm concerned such "red tape" may tend to somewhat defeat the purpose and spirit of Wikipedia. Due to the number of biographies, six of which are listed with links referenced in a prior post on this very talk page (and there are likely many more), including mention of a Google Doodle, this could be seen as prima facie to not disallow inclusion in biographical articles of having been commemorated by Google Doodle and not yet mentioned in the pertinent biography on Wikipedia. In fact, my opinion is the burden of proof should be on why such an event (Google Doodle) should not be included in an article, or be systematically removed from an article when someone has made a good faith edit after discussion and request was made to include mention of the event (which itself was why >I< and likely others sought out the Wikipedia article on Mr. Chavez). res ipsa loquitur... 98.70.80.117 (talk) 00:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Concerning "googling" Serena Williams shoe size (or whatever else) -- preferably within quotation marks else results would likely be rather broad (e.g. perhaps ~86K[6] or higher[7] rather than ~12K[8]... :-P) and getting "thousands upon thousands of hits" -- I agree such a thing probably should not be included in her biography. Yet, nor is the analogy germane to whether mention of a Google Doodle should be included in an article, as the two are entirely different matters -- a person performing a Google search is not the same as Google choosing to make a Doodle on the Google home page to commemorate a particular subject. Decide as you wish, farewell... 98.70.80.117 (talk) 00:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2013

The Cesar Chavez page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez#Early_life) says this:

Chavez had hoped that he would learn skills in the Navy that would help him later when he returned to civilian life, however he soon discovered that at the time Mexican-Americans in the Navy could only work as deckhands or painters.

This is not true. Maybe he believed it, but that doesn't make it true. The first entry on the below link lists a mexican american who was not a deckhand or painter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_Americans_in_World_War_II#Aviators

129.7.16.113 (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the second part of that sentence. That entire sentence agrees with what the provided source says, but as worded it is refuted by the existence of distinguished Mexican-American servicemen in the U.S. Navy during World War II. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2013

The section on his early life has an ambiguous/inaccurate phrasing. It says:

In 1942, Chavez quit school in the seventh grade. [...] When Chavez returned home from his service in the military, he married his high school sweetheart, Helen Fabela.

If he quit school in seventh grade, how could he have a high school sweetheart? 68.49.148.83 (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Good question, but it assumes that high school did not include grade 7. I'm not sure that assumption is correct; the article on Helen says she was attending Delano High School when they met -- and she was younger than Cesar -- but the source isn't any good. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 20:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I searched on Google Books for answers and see that according to "Cesar Chavez: A Biography" by Roger Bruns, Chavez finished 8th grade and then quit school (it's explicitly said that he didn't attend high school) but that Helen was in high school when she quit school. So I guess "high school sweetheart" is good enough, considering that he was high school age and she was in high school when they met. 68.49.148.83 (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 March 2015

I had the same question as the person who originally requested this edit, and am unsatisfied with the logic that Helen was Cesar's high school sweetheart. Cesar did not attend high school, and thus could not have had a "high school" anything, even if Helen did. Distraction could be avoided here by not using an expression linked to high school (which Cesar did not attend) and which thus forces the reader to wonder whether the usage is technically inaccurate.

Gemstoner (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 May 2013

According to Wiki Answers and Enchanted Learning says that he had 8 children: Fernando Chavez, Paul Chavez, Linda Chávez Rodríguez, Sylvia Chavez Delgado, Eloise Chavez Carrillo, Anthony Chavez, Elizabeth Chavez Villarino, and Anna Chavez Ybarra.
Sen12 (talk) 23:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Right away I see issues with what's there... the PBS source says seven children and then only lists six, and almost everything I'm finding with a quick Google search does say eight. However, I'm not wild about either of the sources you gave... Wiki Answers is not valid as it's editable by anyone, and there has to be a better source than the grade-school-level biography at Enchanted Learning. I'm not finding much in the way of the names of the kids, though I do have a couple other potential sources that show eight children - here and ]. Leaving this open for now to get some more opinions on sourcing this since there's discrepancy here. --ElHef (Meep?) 03:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

My 2 cents: change it to 8. Your ufw.org reference is for me the best, they should be more likely to be right considering who he was. As far as I can see, you have everything saying 8, but you just have the one contradictory PBS reference - so I'd be assuming that one is a mistake, since it has, as you note, another internal inconsistency - saying 7, listing 6.

If it's challenged later we might need to come up with some "had 8 but one source says 7" contrivance in the absence of cast iron proof, but I don't see the point doing that if it's not controversial, and it doesn't appear to be. Sources can make mistakes. Begoon ^talk 04:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've gone ahead with this, using the UFW reference (which was already used in the article, by the way, as is the notablebiographies link). I removed the names of the children in the process, but since I still wasn't able to find a reliable source that lists all eight I don't see that there was another choice. --ElHef (Meep?) 15:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Military personnel of WWII

Shouldn't this article be in the American Military Personnel of WWII category? Or several of them, actually. --98.246.156.76 (talk) 03:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

high school sweet heart

it says that, but also says grade 7 was his last year in school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.109.113 (talk) 04:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Occupation: Father Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 18:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Spouse : Helen Febela Chavez Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Children: Eight Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 19:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Married Life Cesar Chavez and Helen Fabela Chavez met at Delano High School in California in 1942. Cesar Chavez joined WW2 in 1945. Soon after he came back from WW2 they started dating, going out on inexpensive dates. In October 22, 1948 Helen Febela and Cesar Chavez got married, Helen being 20 and Cesar being 21. They went home to San jose and had a wedding there and went on a two week honeymoon. They soon after decided to start a life together. They had eght kids and soon had Thirty-one grandchildren.Helen_Fabela_Chávez Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 20:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:29, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Cesar Chaves was a traditional man, he believed that a womens place was at home with the children, while a mans job was to be out working and providing for the family.

Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 21:07, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014

Helen Febela Chavez Cesar Chavez had a wife who was also an activist and helped chavez with the United Farm Workers of America. They moved back to Delcano to start the moved for labor rights. Thats when Helen took a job of picking grapes in the field for less than two dollars a day. Helen helped by staying out of the light for chavez to receive credit of the labor union. Although Helen did participated a lot in the movement. She helped with all the labor unions finances and organizing paper work. The biggest moment for Helen was that she got arrested four times within the movement. She not only as a women but as an activated inspired other women, men and activist to stand together and undergo the disobedience to stand for what they believed in. That's when everyone started getting on board with the fight and made progress. Women and men supporting the union. Helen was a big motivator and helped Cesar with the fight. In 2008 Helen finally received a Latina of the Year award by the National Latino Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles.

Marghot Gutierrez (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

References

Navy service dates

Current page says "In 1944 he joined the United States Navy at the age of seventeen and served for two years." which is backed up by cite (page 30).

However, when I added the military honors event to Death section, I saw that the new cite says "served in the western Pacific during a 1946-48 stint in the Navy, according to the [Chavez] foundation's website."

This deserves some checking. JackGavin (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I now see that the first ship-naming cite says "Chavez served two years in the Navy, joining in 1946.", but the second ship-naming cite says only "served in the Navy during World War II" which if correct means he joined no later than 1945. JackGavin (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Sibling Count

The article states

   Chavez was born on March 31, 1927, in Yuma, Arizona, in a Mexican-American
   family of six children.[4] He was the son of Juana Estrada and Librado Chávez. 
   He had two brothers, Richard (1929–2011) and Librado, and two sisters, Rita
   and Vicki.[5] 

One wonders if there are really six siblings or five. Reference [4] does say "one of six children". Reference [5] does not exactly say that Cesar had two brothers and two sisters. It is the obit of his brother Richard. It lists Richard's siblings and the total with Richard is indeed five. Do we know if the sibling count is really five or is really six? 2001:558:6045:103:3D9A:4EA7:AD9F:BC9F (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2016

This is the current text -- "His public-relations approach to unionism and aggressive but nonviolent tactics made the farm workers' struggle a moral cause with nationwide support." I am challenging the phrase "nonviolent tactics" To present a fuller viewpoint the following quote from the LA Times on May 14, 1986 when the actual unionizing occurred should be added. The article is reporting the finding of fact from a California judge vis a vis the UFW and Caesar Chavez. "This is believed to be the first time that a court has ruled that Chavez--known for his nonviolent philosophies since the earliest days of the farm worker movement--and other union leaders authorized and condoned violent strike actions. Chavez once fasted for 28 days in a Gandhi-like display of his nonviolence and later called off a strike that threatened to become violent." Jlat73 (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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I would just like to add: The funny thing is Cesar Chavez greatest feat was saving us all from the enormous amount of pesticides that the greatest agricultural valley on Earth was using to kill weeds, insects, and US!!!! This is very similar to Mother Theresa’s greatest miracle, getting an enormous number of people to help her for free and loving it!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.252.217 (talk) 04:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Issues with Citations

Citation number 18 says it is from CBS News, but it is actually from CNS News. Additionally, CNS News doesn't have a reputation for fact-checking, which goes against the Editing Wikipedia Guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masondsimpson (talk • contribs) 21:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Citation number 20 is from Accuracy in the Media, which doesn't have a reputation for fact-checking, which goes against the Editing Wikipedia Guide.

How many siblings did he have?!

The entry says "family of six children", but then mentions two brothers and two sisters... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.39.66 (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2017

Hi, I noticed that the url citation for the Cesar Chavez statue at the University of Texas goes to the http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu website, which no longer has a webpage about the statue. A better url might be: https://news.utexas.edu/2007/10/09/statue-2. Could someone please change it? Thanks! Milessapp (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC) milessapp Milessapp (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Done Thank you for finding the URL. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2017

In the biography of Cesar E Chavez it states that Cesar had visited "Synanon" and adopted their "Game." Although it is true that the "Game" was originated in Synanon, Cesar became involved with NOT Synanon, but rather the "Delancey Street Foundation" in San Francisco. In the early 1970's Cesar and John Maher struck up a friendship and The Farm Workers and Delancey Street worked together for several years together. It was Delancey Street that introduced the "Synanon" style "Game" to Cesar and helped his people in La Paz implement it into their organization. Cesar was a guest at Delancey Street many times and not "Synanon." In a letter of introduction for me, Cesar wrote, "I met Mr. Gregoire years ago with his connection with his work with the Delancey Street Foundation, a San Francisco based organization that has worked closely with our union for many years." Delancey Street was based on the Synanon model, since it's founder, John Maher had been a resident there for several years. To varify this information, simply call the UFW headquarters. I'm sure they will say, "Yes, it was Delancey Street we were associated with and not Synanon." Pencilartist51 (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

There is a reliable source (an article in The Atlantic, in turn based on a 2009 book) that says that Chavez was directly involved with Synanon. If you want this article to say something else, you'll have to find a published, reliable source that says it - "call the UFW" is not enough, unfortunately. Korny O'Near (talk) 03:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane ^talk 03:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, where are you getting that he was for illegal immigration and Amnesty? In the book "The Fight in the Fields", he OPPOSED illegal immigration and had union guys sent to the border to stop illegals from being brought in and phoned ICE to get illegals deported. Also, he was so strongly against illegal immigrants that he actually referred to them as "wetbacks". 2601:245:8000:E9FA:51B1:1450:32B:821A (talk) 05:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that he was for illegal immigration. Korny O'Near (talk) 14:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Immigration

In the 'Immigration' section, it says:

The UFW during Chavez's tenure was committed to restricting immigration.

citation? Also, was he committed to restricting all immigration, or just illegal immigration? --Jrogers512 (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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Pacem in Terris Award

This is misleading to wrong

In 1992, Chavez was awarded the Catholic Church's Pacem in Terris Award, named after a 1963 encyclical by Pope John XXIII calling upon all people of good will to secure peace among all nations.

Since 1976, the Pacem in Terris Award is not properly an award of the Catholic Church, but rather the Quad Cities Pacem in Terris Coalition .

Trleith (talk) 16:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the explanation, based on what you pointed out - thanks. Korny O'Near (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

It's better, thanks. Calling it a Catholic Award is fair enough -- the Coalition is dominated by Catholic congregations, and is recognized by the Diocese of Davenport. Trleith (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2018

24.138.209.136 (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done ...136 you didn't specify anything to do. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Should there be something added about why (and when) the NFWA was turned into the UFW?

Section 2.1 has a brief statement about how the NFWA turned into the UFW, but it is not explicitly laid out why and when this happened. This results in a very abrupt change from referring to it as the NFWA to referring to it as the UFW shortly into the second paragraph.

Dragonballzeke (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)