Talk:Cayman Brac

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Caymanite

Looking for a citation & image of Eddie Scott's 1994 Caymanite Statue - the one of the two sea turtles that the State gave to Queen Elizabeth II that same year. It has probably appeared as an article in a 'Key to Cayman' magazine and similar publications. Possible that it might also be on a gov.ky page somewhere?

-hh (talk) 18:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Minor update: it was Cayman's official 1994 Royal Visit gift for Queen Elizabeth II; the sculpture consisted of two miniature lifelike caymanite Hawksbill turtles. See http://www.caribbeancorners.us/index.php?categoryid=17 -hh (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Topic for Discussion: 'Extinct Critters'

I've marked the main page with a needs citation for the early statement regarding crocodiles on Cayman Brac / Little Cayman. This would appear to be good/useful historical insight, but as per Wiki policies, it requires a firm source to provide a referencable citation. What is also similar to this ... but not yet mentioned ... is that there have also been old stories of the West Indian Manatee (Trichechus manatus) also having been occasionally known to have been in the region, although they're not currently considered to be a native species (see [this 2006 story]Cayman Compass Baby Manatee Found)

The To Do task for here is to provide some useful citations to autheticate the crocodile history, as available.

---hh (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Question on 'Local Economy':

Which is the recommended/superior approach to documenting local scuba diving operators? While they could notionally be listed here, I don't particularly care for that precidence, particularly for the slippery slope of tourism. It would appear to be preferrable to create such a list on Wiki Travel and simply provide a link to Wiki Travel from here. Comments?

-hh (talk) 21:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Conflicting coordinates

I have just removed two contradictory, coordinates templates:

• 19°20′N 81°13′W
• 19°43′N 79°48′W

Which, if ether, should we use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I'd definitely not use 19°20′N 81°13′W as this points to Grand Cayman, not Cayman Brac.

The second one is also a bit problemmatic in that it points to roughly to nothing in the middle of the Brac - - probably acceptable, but it might be more pragmatially useful if it actually pointed at a known landmark, such as Gerrard_Smith_International_Airport. What's the guidance for the seletion of a coordinate? -hh (talk) 14:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

There's no hard-and-fast rule; but see WP:GEO. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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>>>Strait's name

Can anybody name the strait that separates Little Cayman and Cayman Brac? If so, I'll put it on the map of the islands that I've uploaded.Kelisi (talk) 06:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I believe its referred to as the "Bogue". I'll check with a friend who lives on the Brac & get a good spelling. -hh (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

A quick follow-up. Found some citations that affirms most of the above, from the local newspaper, the Cayman Compass ... while they both say "the" prior to "bogue", the older one (1966) doesn't capitalize either word, while the newer one (2012) capitalizes both (and puts it in quotes). Sounds to me like the answer is that the name includes the "the", as "The Bogue", but I'll wait for my friend to reply for clarification between these two & report back here.

FYI, I also found one other reference that suggested a different geographical region for the Bogue, namely the stretch of sea between Grand Cayman and Cayman Brac. This seems a bit odd to me, because geographically, Little Cayman is between those two locations. Suggest disregarding. -hh (talk) 14:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I have now done a search using "the bogue cayman" and have turned up a couple of interesting references, among them this:

https://www.chegg.com/flashcards/cayman-general-knowledge-f4c976bc-8747-48e7-8697-c8839dc64311/deck

One of the flashcards there is most specific and explicit. Q-"Name the channel between Grand Cayman & Cayman Brac?"; A-"The Bogue". Another reference, this:

https://marathonswimmers.org/swims/2016/miller-st-john/

...refers to it as "Bogue Channel" (no article), but it was written by a non-Caymanian. So it seems clear to me that "Bogue" is at least a locally accepted name for the strait. If you find out otherwise, I'll take it off the map. Thank you again.Kelisi (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that Flashcard was the "other reference" I'd mentioned above, which claims its location as between Grand & Brac which doesn't make sense.

I've also heard back from my local Brac friend, her statement was: {The Bogue} is what the local name for it between the sister islands. It can become quite choppy in The Bogue.

So consider this nomenclature to be confirmed.

FYI, two other things their statement reminds me of:

First, their phrasing of the sister islands is another local term could also be included on your map. The grouping of Little Cayman and Cayman Brac is often referred to as the Sister Islands, as in Grand Cayman and the Sister Islands

Second, their comment about The Bogue being choppy is semi-noteworthy IMO.

Background: there's always been scuba diving 'tall tales' about how the waters off the Caymans are 3000-4000ft deep. While true, the exaggeration is in its proximity to dive sites. They're not just a short swim off the drop-off, but a mile or so out. This can be seen in my personal 'fair use' photocopy of a Govt depth map ( https://www.huntzinger.com/dive/Little-Cayman-depths-2.jpg ): its 'only' the 200m sounding line that's within swimming distance off the Wall; to get to the 1000m deep sounding line, you need to swim out about a mile.

The reason I mention this is because its easy to oversimplify the UW terrain as being as flat & boring and infinitely deep with no contribution to surface conditions...and this doesn't describe the underwater terrain of The Bogue. I've not found a depth map for The Bogue to confirm this, but what I've pieced together is that The Bogue apparently contains an underwater ridge of deepwater pinnacles which run between Little Cayman & Cayman Brac. My understanding comes from local reports of locals who go out to fish on these pinnacles for deepwater groupers. Per these reports, these pinnacles rise up from the "bottom" depth (assume ~1000m, or 3000+fsw) to around 150m (400-500fsw). From all of this, I've personally concluded that the reputation for choppiness comes from currents moving through The Bogue which normally wouldn't cause any surface effects if the bottom was the same as the surrounding area, but because of these pinnacles, those currents hit them and get squeezed - forcibly uplifted as it boils over & through the gap between Little & Brac. Hope this description makes sense. -hh (talk) 14:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't even notice the blunder in the flashcard (I think that's what it is, you know, and that it should read "Little"). Well, I've included Sister Islands in the map's titlebox, and I have also named the two islands. I don't know what to do with the rest of your suggestion about the Bogue. I have read about swimmers swimming across it and apparenty it is very deep, but since my source, OSM, is notorious for not showing water depths... Kelisi (talk) 20:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

References

two slightly incoherent copies of the same phrase, very close

It is one of only a few sunken Soviet naval vessels in the Western Hemisphere, and the only one that is easily dived.

The wreck is the only Russian warship that divers can explore in the Western hemisphere. 151.29.137.229 (talk) 07:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, that can & should be cleaned up. FYI, another change that can be mentioned is that since CoVid, the local Dive Operations are no longer briefing penetration dives of the 356 wreck, reportedly due to internal collapses. I've not yet looked myself (eg, ignored their safety briefing) to confirm if this is the case, or if they're just being overly conservative. -hh (talk) 10:58, 3 September 2023 (UTC)