Talk:Casualties of the 2010 Haiti earthquake

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Casualty Estimates[edit]

I know everything is still emerging, but why does this article say in one place that estimates "number in the hundreds of thousands" and in another, "as high as 100,000?" Which are we going with here? AlexHOUSE (talk) 01:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. Long day editing. I'll change it to "as high as 100,000". David Straub (talk) 01:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Revised death toll figures are coming in, which looks to be significantly less than anticipated: http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/haiti-quake-death-toll-well-under-100000 Alcarillo (talk) 20:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, the findings of the Dutch Radio Netherlands Worldwide (RNW) journalists, based on interviews with local authorities and cemetery administrators suggest the actual death toll is most likely below 100,000. The numbers mentioned in the RNW article in the following table for a better understanding of the disparities with government figures.
Death toll of the 2010 Haiti earthquake, according to RNW findings:

Buried Unrecovered bodies Total   Government estimates
Léogâne (MM IX) 3,364 1,636 5,000 20,000-30,000
Petit-Goâve, Grand-Goâve and Gressier (MM IX): 1,347 20 1,367 ?
Jacmel (MM VIII) See also: this section ? ? 400 4,000
Port-au-Prince (MM VIII):
   main cemetry 18,000 18,000 ?
   other cemetries 7,000 7,000 ?
   mass graves in Titanyen 13,000-20,000 13,000-20,000 ?
   other (mass) graves 10,000 10,000 ?
Total buried victims ~ 62,000 ?
Bodies still under the rubble 30,000 30,000 ?
Total death toll estimate ~ 91,767 ~ 230,000

Source: Melissen, Hans Jaap (23 February 2010). "Haiti quake death toll well under 100,000". Radio Netherlands Worldwide. Retrieved 2010-02-28. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

The RNW death toll estimate is included in the main article on the quake, and I'd suggest also including it in this article. Arjuno (talk 04:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC) Arjuno (talk 04:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of "casualty"[edit]

Remember, casualties refer to both deaths AND injuries. This article seems a little focused on deaths only. *SIGNIFICANT* injuries should be included. Michaelh2001 (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you got info on injuries, feel free to add it. I think that would have been a better option rather than tagging this article as unbalanced. But with possibly as many as 100,000 dead and many hundreds of thousands injured, I don't think it would make sense to add individual injuries. In fact, Michael, I don't think anyone in the world yet has any notion of the total number of deaths or injuries as a result of the Haiti quake. We can only add info that has been reported.David Straub (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added info on a significant injury, and almost immediatly it was deleted. I've found that normally people don't check the discussion page, they just delete first, ask questions never. So I wanted people to see the discussion. Michaelh2001 (talk) 05:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't just injuries being deleted, it was names of the deceased. I understand why that happens. With such a massive disaster we couldn't possibly include all the names. But the reason why a separate page for casualties was created was so that there could be more expansive coverage of the victims of the earthquake, both the dead and the injured.David Straub (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed unbalanced, which isn't really what I was suggesting, but left "confusing". I also agree in part, that listing every injury would make the article impossibly long. But, I highly doubt we will see much reporting of Haitian injuries in western media, only foreigners. That should not be very cumbersome. Michaelh2001 (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think some random, non-famous foreigner getting their foot amputated belongs on this article personally. --Tocino 07:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully I've addressed this to everyone's satisfaction. I rewrote the American casualty section and included everything I could find concerning American dead in Haiti. I also included information on Christa Brelsford, which had been added by Michaelh2001 and deleted by Tocino, as an example of reporting on American injured, or the lack of reporting. Casualty does by it's definition include deaths and injuries and I used Brelsford's case as an example of how little we know about American injured. I think she is also a suitable example because she was interviewed on CNN by Larry King and her injury (amputation) is quite severe. David Straub (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, and I see that you added the information back. I also added an edit note to that section, letting people know that if any information is going to be deleted, it MUST be discussed first. By the way, you should sign with 4 ~'s, not 2. :) Michaelh2001 (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppps....forgot those last two twiglies thingsDavid Straub (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No prob! I did a proxy signature for you, assuming that you would correct it in due time. Michaelh2001 (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Number of aid agencies in Haiti?[edit]

There was mention on CNN or MSNBC the other day that there were 10,000 distinct aid organizations operating in Haiti prior to the earthquake. With that many aid agencies, I'd expect a very broad spread of casualties. However, I haven't been able to find out if that 10,000 number is remotely accurate. If anyone can track it down, I believe the figure would be important to add to put the foreign deaths into context. —Mulad (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds important. If you can track down the info, please add it. David Straub (talk) 15:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I found an opinion piece in the New York Times by Tracy Kidder which mentions it. —Mulad (talk) 19:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CBC news said 40,000 burried already, and estimated extra 100,000[edit]

This is what was being aired on CBC television all day today, quoted from Haitian officials, why does the page still estimate as low as 30,000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.247.245.14 (talk) 09:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These were the first red cross estimates. They are well known for their lowballing (in the 2004 Tsunami they said 15,500 killed). 189.58.45.157 (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't feel timid about editing the page. If you find info that is out of date and have sources to verify it, please change it.David Straub (talk) 15:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Casualties[edit]

A list/table should be set up to list how many confirmed casualties have died from each country, I know this will be long to do but there are sources out there. I feel the Notable casualties should be listed seperate. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would support' having a table some where on the page that lists casualties by nationality. But at this point, it will ber quite difficult to get information for a confirmed number of casualties. Except for some Western countries, I have not been able to find confirmation of casualties from government sources. This is especially problematic for Haitian casualties.
I would opposed replacing the information for individual casualties with just a list of numbers and then only mentioning in a list "notable casualties", which so far would be very low, I imagine less than 10. I just want to point out that wikipedia notability guidelines (see Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_guidelines_do_not_directly_limit_article_content) state that establishing notability pertains to creating individual articles, not contents of articles. But I would support placing the names of individual's who have their own articles in a more prominent section, such as the intro to the article or the intro to individual sections. David Straub (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would support a table. The article is now far to be clear. How many died and have been injured ? Do we need the name and the detail of the injuries of everyone ?86.203.32.200 (talk) 16:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New US report[edit]

There is a new US report that indicates that significantly fewer casualties existed than the Haitian government has stated. This should go into the article... as soon as the report is finished and we move out of the land of first drafts. RTRimmel (talk) 11:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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