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News releases in Wikipedia?

Whoa there! Is it proper or encyclopedic to print Carrie Underwoods's Public Relations news releases in the Wikipedia? Apart from the fact that they are hilariously over the top non-NPOV cheerleading (and rightly so, as they are paid to be), they also merely repeat what is already detailed in the article. Its just badly out of place in Wikipedia. This is her Wikipedia encyclopedia article, not her fan blog or fan website - we need to adhere to the NPOV Wikipedia guidelines. I will remove the "Recent News" section and paste it over here. Whatever information that is not already in the main article can be taken out and put in the article.

Recent news

• NASHVILLE – (Jan. 10, 2007) - Carrie Underwood will add more trophies to her award case after walking away with her first awards of 2007 with victories in both her nominated categories at the People’s Choice Awards last night - Favorite Female Singer and Favorite Country Song for “Before He Cheats.” Underwood wrapped 2006 with a host of awards including 5 Billboard Music Awards- Album of the Year, Country Album of the Year, Female Billboard 200 Album Artist of the Year, Female Country Artist of the Year and New Country Artist of the Year, as well as 2 CMA Awards including Female Vocalist of the Year, 2 CMT Awards, 2 ACM Awards, an American Music Award and many more.

• Nashville, TN – Carrie Underwood begins 2007 with another incredible accomplishment as her 19 Recordings/Arista Nashville debut album, Some Hearts, vaults to RIAA Quintuple-Platinum certification for sales of five million units. The record-setting milestone earns Carrie the fastest 5x Platinum certification of any female country debut in history. Some Hearts is also the best-selling, single-disc country album by a solo artist (male or female) in the last six years - since Tim McGraw’s Greatest Hits released in November of 2000. And with January 10 SoundScan information, Some Hearts earns the further distinction of becoming the best-selling, single-disc country album by any artist (solo, male, female, group, duo, etc.) since the Dixie Chicks’ Home released in August of 2002. Released November 15, 2005, Some Hearts has now logged a total of 20 weeks at #1 on Billboard’s Top Country Albums chart, beginning and ending 2006 at #1 and holding the top country spot for 14 weeks last year – more than any other artist.

I have also added some hidden comments in the main article asking that PR releases not to be put into it. --Eqdoktor 06:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Wasted A Single

I have heard "Wasted" on the radio only once. Does anyone know if it is a single yet? O'Malley II 18:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Creek Indian Heritage?

A user keeps adding the following statement:

Underwood is of Creek Indian heritage and is a member of the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma.

How true is this? The statement is unsourced, and to be honest, I haven't heard about this information anywhere. I have removed it again to discuss it here. Acalamari 02:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, not much to add here, except if there is a WP:RS (reliable source) for it, it can go in the article. But if there isn't, it simply can't, so you were right in removing it. Mad Jack 06:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't found any sources for it. Also, somebody else will have to remove it next time. I'll break 3RR if I do it again. Acalamari 17:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you're in danger of breaking 3RR. A 3RR breach would have to be more than 3 reverts in 24 hours. Mad Jack 01:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but Carrie is of Creek heritage and does hold a tribal card, you need to contact her management. We tribal members know who our people are, and Carrie is one of us. In case you don't know, Muskogee is inside the Creek Reservation which borders Cherkoee Nation where Carrie attend NSU in Tahlequah which is the Capitol of the Cherokee Nation. Call Creek Nation if you feel the need to ask of Carrie Underwood is an enrolled tribal member and please stop removing my factual addition to her bio. Call Muscogee (Creek) Nation at 918/756-8700. Thank you!

Please see WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NOR. Even though something may be true, it can't be included unless it's also verifiable in a reliable and accessible source. That means this piece of information can not be in the article unless a specific and reliable source is cited for it ("Call Creek Nation" not being that). As you can see from the policies I linked you to, the burden of evidence is on those wishing to include the information, not those wishing to exclude it. Mad Jack 05:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

There is not a single Indian reservation in the state of Oklahoma. A real oklahoman indian should know that.

http://www.rlnn.com/ArtFeb07/CreekNationUnderwood2GrannyAwards.html

The following article was published by the red lake reservation newspaper.

Creek Nation tribal member Carrie Underwood wins 2 Grammy Awards

http://www.rlnn.com/ArtFeb07/CreekNationUnderwood2GrannyAwards.html

Here is your "reliable source" to prove Carrie is a Creek Nation tribal member.

Muscogee (Creek) Nation Citizenship Board

P.O. Box 580 Okmulgee, OK 74447

(918) 756-8700 ext. 219

(800) 482-1979

(918) 732-7745

Hours 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Call the 800 number you racist morons. And stop deleting her heritage info because she's Native American.

Again, please see WP:RS - "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable published sources". Calling up the Creek Nation Citizenship Board, or Underwood's agent, or Underwood herself, doesn't pass the criteria for WP:RS. Mad Jack 18:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We're not racist you dumbass, we just need an explaination. According to the 2000 US Census information about Checotah, Oklahoma:

"As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 3,481 people, 1,389 households, and 912 families residing in the city. The population density was 389.3/mi² (150.3/km²). There were 1,576 housing units at an average density of 176.3/mi² (68.1/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 67.91% White, 6.92% African American, 15.91% Native American, 0.23% Asian, 0.09% Pacific Islander, 0.40% from other races, and 8.53% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.29% of the population."

There's more white people if anything in Checotah. If Ms. Underwood is Native American as you say she is, then it is very doubtful she's of full blooded ancestry, just my estimates, I'd say she's at most 1/4 Native American heritage.

Another thing you haven't explained, how are tribal members enrolled? I mean as in how much Native ancesty does need in order to be enrolled as a tribal member? Could someone who's of lets say 1/8 Native American ancestry and 7/8 European ancestry count as a Native American? Just curious since I'm not a Native American and don't know how these things work.

She is no longer a Grammy nominated artist, but a Grammy winner.

She is no longer a Grammy nominated artist, but a Grammy winner. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.223.197.205 (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

This has been changed. Acalamari 20:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Carrie Underwood didn't,AW!THe Dixie Chicks did,they have won too many awards!Thery have won almost every Grammy! Trampton 17:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC) .

Leann Rimes quote

That's pretty rich coming from Leann Rimes, who won a Grammy award when she was FOURTEEN. Where was the outrage then over "awarding someone who's been in the business for a VERY short time," you stupid hypocrite? I'm not even a Carrie Underwood fan, but that quote rubs me the wrong way for some reason and I'm really tempted to make an edit that points out the irony. However, I'll refrain, in the interest of keeping the article as "objective" as possible.

The thing is, I am deleting the entire section completely from the Carrie Underwood article. For one, its more about Faith Hill and LeAnn Rimes than Underwood. Its a minor hullabaloo during the CMA awards (practical joke taken wrong), its hardly going to impact the careers of Underwood, Rimes or Hill - its just not encyclopedic, more a gossip item. The last is the sort of reaction that section gets as exemplified in the posting above (unwarranted anger directed at Rimes), the section keeps getting edited to make Rimes and Hill look bad. The quote keeps getting shorter and shorter (its a lot longer where Rimes explains her reasoning), subsequent editors just throw everything else out to make Hill and Rimes sound foolish - which contravenes WP:BLP and makes it all WP:POV biased. Underwood hardly makes an appearance in the section. "Not encylopedic" = "Fails WP:BLP" = "WP:POV biased" = "Not relevant to Underwood" = Not in Wikipedia. --Eqdoktor 04:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Vegatarian

She is. She has talked about it many times over, and in country weekly, I read that she doesn't even order eggs from Restaurants, as she knows that they are not likely to be free-range. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Happychick13 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Some suggestions

Keeping the precedent of other artists in mind, it would be best if Carrie Underwood's discography and awards were moved to their own articles rather than left to clutter the mother article.UberCryxic 23:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok I've gone ahead and created separate articles for the discography and the awards. It's really brought down the length of the article.UberCryxic 03:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

i think it was better when it was all on one page especially the discography the awrds could go on a seperate thing but i think having her discography on the one page is best

can we get some information on her second album put up

I think the introduction is heavily dedicated to album sales and stuff like that - there should be some other information on her in the introduction, not just album sales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zone (talk • contribs) 15:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is incredibly biased, it reads more like a fan's personal essay than encyclopedia page on Carrie Underwood. The article has several small words that set an unnecesarry tone for the page and apparantly argue some points. Eatspie (talk) 20:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

A LETTER FROM YOUR BIGGEST FAN EVER I LOVE YOUR MUSIC I COULD NEVER STOP YOU HAVE INSPIRED ME FOR SO LONG I WILL LOOK UP TO YOU 4 EVER!!! YOU GAVE ME A REASON TO HAVE FAITH IN MY SINGING.... I STARTED SINGING B CUZ I HEARD YOU AND IT IS AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU AS MY FAVORITE SINGER I NO ALL OF YOUR SONGS BY HEART AND I CAN WAIT TILL YOUR NEW ALBUM COMES OUT...... YOUR BIGGEST FAN,

       KAITLYN SCHUG!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schugabear (talk • contribs) 18:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC) 

2nd Album

It's confirmed to be coming out October 23. Let's get that up. It should have the first single coming out in the next 3 weeks. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.31.150.27 (talk)

We can't put anything about the second album in unless we have reliable sources. Do you have any sources to validate the existence of the second album? Acalamari 03:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Does anyone have any sources for her second album? The only text that's being added is that the album's release date is October 23rd, but that the title is unconfirmed. Also, "rumored tracks" were added, which I had to remove. Acalamari 17:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Sources are everywhere. Type Carrie Underwood on Google and it's the top article.

Here's a link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19811621 . The only information revealed about the album is the release date. --JYi 20:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I've re-added the information, along with the source. Acalamari 20:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Where is the source for the title? The previous source was put in the wrong spot. All the source said was that Carrie is planning to release the album on the 23rd of October. Omghgomg 06:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
  • There isn't a source for it at the moment, and one is needed. Otherwise, the information about the title will get removed. Acalamari 15:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to remove it now until there is a reliable source. Omghgomg 07:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Can we have semi-protection on this article? Constantly, people have been editing the article by claiming that Carrie's next album is Carnival Ride. This, as of now, is still UNSOURCED. I don't want to constanty revert back to the original form. Omghgomg 11:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I looked through the recent history of this article, and at the moment, there is not enough disruptive activity to semi-protect the page; if this page was requested for semi-protection at RFPP, it would be declined. However, if the rate of additions of unsourced information increases, then it'll need protecting. For now, we can just revert. Acalamari 16:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible source: http://www.jrecords.com, at the search box on top, type in "Carrie Underwood", and Carnival Ride is listed under Some Hearts at the bottom. I don't know if this qualifies as a source though. JYi 00:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a better source than that one? I couldn't access the page, as it required a certain piece of software. That source may cause problems for some users when they visit it. Acalamari 20:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, it seems that someone has now found a better source for the information. Acalamari 16:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

New Page for awards

If you read the article, you can see that Carrie Underwood's awards and nominations keeps piling up and up. Hence, I'm planning to be bold and make a new article dedicated to her awards and nominations. I'll wait and see if anyone has any objections to that. Omghgomg 11:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually didn't see that there is already an article. I'll expand on it. Omghgomg 11:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The following information

Hi, I just noticed the following information in the article (but it's not showing up in 'Edit'....) Thought it might need removing.

Who's Better? - The talented country singer gave praise to Clarkson during a Grammy Party in 2006 where she said that she has made a lead and Underwood stated and wished that herself would be able to be in her shoes(Clarkson's Success). Underwood has paid through it all and made sexy slithering singles, music videos and dazzling performances that are vibrantly beautiful. Her success may have been stated as better than Clarkson's, but many disagree and prefers the beautiful competitor idol rock chick. Many fans build up rivalries and problems up to their success, but Clarkson is noted to be the most successful with chart topping singles through many different genres. Underwood has a way different sound vocally and her voice is not mature enough for songs that are more in the 'pop' style. Clarkson on the other side is very mature for any type of music/genres making her a more talented one. As Simon Cowell have said on American Idol that Clarkson is the best by a Mile from all of the other winners of American Idol. So Some Hearts is a very successful album for Carrie, but it doesn't make her any better than Clarkson's sexy and rocking vocals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.132.50.8 (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for noticing it. Don't worry, it's already been removed. :) Acalamari 17:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous edits

First paragraph.

The words TV show should be added after "American Idol." Not everyone knows that American Idol is a show on American TV.

Personal life.

Last paragraph. There is a link to "New York City restaurant" that is not a proper link. It is a direct link to Carrie Underwoods professional website. The link should be removed.

I tried to edit this and my edits were rejected as not contributing anything worthwile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.139.30 (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. The words "TV show" are redundant, as anyone who has the means and capability of finding WP will know that AI is a TV show. It simply creates redundancy. K. Scott Bailey 18:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

As for the link, it goes to the fansite, and basically serves as confirmation of the statement being made in the sentence. K. Scott Bailey 18:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Currently related?? Can she become unrelated to him? Change that part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.115.194 (talk) 04:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, What was Carrie Underwood's 1st song? Thanks :)--Paulalaurenwhitneychrisbff (talk) 00:10, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

So Small

"So Small" is now confirmed by a lot of people including Hit Predictor's site that it is number 1, so why is it important that there should be a link to a number-one song? BravesFan2006 18:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Do you think that it is possible to get a new picture on this page. The picture of her singing with the big spotlight behind her is not a very good one. Shawn W (talk) 03:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

If you can find a better free image than the one we have, then it can be replaced. Until then, the image we have of Carrie Underwood at the moment is the best, as it's free. Acalamari 17:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that Song BMG artists' websites usually have Wikipedia links. I think someone needs to tell them to start contributing and stop just leeching off our work.  ;-)

Seriously, though, I think the current photo is not bad, given the photos for a lot of other people, but I wonder if Song BMG may be open to some free (speech not beer) publicity. Kelvinc (talk) 05:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

A picture of Carrie Underwood taken on USO Tour in Iraq that is a federal work is now going to be the picture used. It is free because it is a work of the United States Army. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 20:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

january 22nd this new picture is'nt that great the old one should go back up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.139.92.58 (talk) 17:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The new picture, however, is unquestionably free use, and because it is a work of the United States Army, personality rights cannot be claimed on a work that was never copyrighted or eligible for it. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the previous image is in the article, just not in the infobox. Acalamari 18:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

hate the new picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.139.83.82 (talk) 22:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not relevant if someone "hates" the picture. Yes, there are most likely images that are of better quality, or portray Carrie Underwood better, but the current images are free, as I said above. Acalamari 23:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Never mind: you were referring to a different image when I wrote the above message. I have restored the free image. Acalamari 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

someone needs to post a new picture because the 1 up there now is not a good picture. i would do it but i dont know how.64.53.58.54 (talk) 17:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Can U Get Another New Picture Cause That One Is Getting Old!!!!!! Anmerican Idol Experience Parade One. And Could Someone Tell me how to change the picture myself cause i have great ones!!!--~~Carrie~~Underwood~~ 4Ever~~&~~Ever~~JP (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life

I think something should be changed with that... I don't think that Tony Romo would be cheating on her... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.125.46 (talk) 08:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Carrie has said about a million times this year that she is is not dating anyone. Carrie dating Mike Fisher of the NHL Ottawa Senators! Sports article dated Nov.23/09 Toronto Sun.It is so GuardianWolf. No mention that she used to have a third nipple that she had removed? In the extended version of her initial American Idol audition in front of Simon and Randy, Simon brings it up and she confirms it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh-8zj5owas#t=1m54s

Pre-Idol Albums

Why is there no info here about the 3 albums she released between 1996 and 2001?

Good question-xC- 22:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Don't get me wrong, Carrie is a beautiful girl. She takes wonderful pictures. But honestly? Whoever posted that picture shouldn't have, the should have put a more personal photo, rather then photographers at one of her concerts. Maybe a picture of her from her album.

68.228.87.188 (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments She released three albums before Idol? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.181.251 (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Mrs. Carrie Underwood, Where do you get the inspiration from? Adrielus (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)