Talk:Carlos Vignali

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was hugh rodham this guy's lawyer?

Yes Hugh Rodham, Hillarys brother, was Carlos' lawyer... news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/clinton/pardonrpt/ch3031302hcgrcprdrpt.pdf

He was paid 204,200 for his work petitioning his sisters husband the President. Here are some excerpts from the link I have provided.

Hugh Rodham Jr is a lawyer and Hillarys brother, he is defending a mafia member and cocaine trafficker Carlos Vignali.

A key element of the campaign by Carlos Vignali and his father Horacio, was a series of letters on Carlos' behalf from prominent L.A. politicians.... Cardinal Roger Mahony being one of them.

Hugh Rodham was paid $204,200 for his work on the Vignali commutation. It appears that Rodham's payment in the Vignali matter was contingent upon his success, as he received the $200,000 payment on Jan 24,2001, after Pres Clinton granted clemency to Vignali.

Rodham repreatedly provided false information during his communications with the White House.

The White House ignored the strenuous objections to the Vignalu commutation that were lodged by the Pardon Attorney. Which means the White House cant say they didnt know.

What was Carlos primarily charged with? On Dec 20, 1993, a federal grand jury in Minnesota issued a 34-count indictment against 30 defendants. The indictment resulted in the largest drug investigation in Minnesota history. According to the indictment, Carlos Vignali and his co-defendants sent large quantities of cocaine to Minnesota by mail from California, converted it to crack, and distributed it quickly to the street.

According to the government, Vignali and his associates sold 2 pounds of crack a day as late as November 1993. In the course of its wire-tapped surveillance, authorities intercepted telephone conversations between Vignali and others... The evidence obtained indicated a broad level of involvement by Vignali in a multi-state conspiracy to distribute cocaine.

He is probably a Hillraiser today.

Sorry if I muddied up the format... Orwells Ghost 13:27 Feb 14, 2008(re-edited 13:30)

The Unpardonable Disparities link[edit]

I will just just weight in and say that the link should stay - Carlos Vignali is notable because of the attention given to the pardons, and the link discusses the attention given to the pardons. Disclaimer: I added the link in the first place. Thue | talk 19:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the article has good information about Vignali. Maybe the text alongside the article should be changed to actually talk about Vignali rather than what appears to be a POV statment regarding Clinton/Bush? Link stays - description changes? All in favor say "I"? Dubc0724 20:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The description is a paraphrased quote of an opinion - I believe we don't have strict NPOV rules when quoting. The description simply says what is in the linked article. I think the current description should be kept because the issue described is related to Vignali's notability. Thue | talk 20:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You guys can certainly leave it, but it just seems like an irrelevant and NPOV quote (paraphrased or not). I still agree the link is okay, but the description in the article sticks out like a sore thumb, and looks like a weird attempt to defend Clinton's pardon. Dubc0724 15:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in the linked article or in the summary makes any attempt to defend Clintons pardon. I don't really see how you get that idea. Thue | talk 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure it was. It was saying Clinton's pardons were no worse than Bush's. Maybe true, but not relevant to the Vignali article. Dubc0724 17:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That A is no worse than B does not make A all right. At least in my book. Anyway, the reason why I think the link+description should stay is that it highlights the fact that this level of scrutiny is a new thing. That it happens to illustrate this by summarising a comparison between the two specific presidents is an unintended (and harmless) consequence. Thue | talk 20:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, a commutation should not be confused with a pardon. Vignali had his sentence commuted, but he is still considered a convicted felon. Yes, Hugh Rodham was his lawyer. The family paid Mr. Rodham $200,000 for the representation, and he returned the fee to the family after the commutation caused such a stir.