Talk:COVID-19 vaccination in the United Kingdom/Archive 1

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How to expand the lead

As part of page curation, a hatnote (or maintenance tag) has been added to the page alerting us to an issue with the brevity of the lead and that it may not adequately summarise the rest of the article. It's not immediately obvious how the lead should be expanded. I thought we could start a discussion here as to how best to do this. Looking at the other sections and subsections, it will not be easy to summarise the information. I was wondering whether more of an overview should be taken where something could be said about the different bodies involved in vaccine deployment. It can't all just fall under the auspices of Minister for COVID Vaccine Deployment, it seems to draw from a number of places, including Public Health England. There's also an issue of ensuring that the lead reflects the whole of the UK, and not just the relevant bodies in England.

The MHRA are much more involved than they may seem, also I believe NIBSC to be involved in initial batch testing: "The National Institute for Biological Standards and Control, part of the agency, has been and will continue doing, independent laboratory testing so that every batch of the vaccine meets the expected standards of safety and quality."[1]. NIBSC are also involved in testing coronavirus vaccines globally, but this is not as relevant. [2]

Also, there's the Vaccine Taskforce (UK) which are also involved, in a more overarching way. This article in The Guardian provides a perspective from the UK Vaccine Taskforce and states the following: "NHS England and NHS Improvement (NHSE&I) and Public Health England are leading on the operational delivery of the vaccination programme in England."[3] These details might help expand the lead by writing a few sentences about the various bodies involved. There are clearly more moving parts than first meets the eye. The article mentions the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation further down the page, but they should perhaps be mentioned in the lead too. This PDF contains a lot of useful information, some of it slightly out-of-date though.[4]

The BMA also appear to be involved with what they term "CVP" (COVID-19 vaccination programme) in England.[5][6][7] This group letter from NHS (Skipton House) also sheds light on the 3 defined deployment models as at 20 November 2020 and also gives two key names: Emily Lawson, Chief Commercial Officer and SRO for Covid-19 Vaccine Deployment NHS England and NHS Improvement; and Sue Harriman, Chief Operating Officer Covid-19 Vaccination Deployment Programme.[8] I hope these links help in some way to produce more of an overview of the bodies involved. SpookiePuppy (talk) 20:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@SpookiePuppy: Sorry, didn't see this before I have made the first attempt of re-writting the lead see here. Many thanks for your many insights and I am happy to bow to consensus of better wording! P.S. I have removed the tag, I can put it back on if not properly resolved yet? Thanks. --Crep1711 (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.nibsc.org/about_us/latest_news/c-19_vaccine.aspx
  2. ^ https://www.nibsc.org/about_us/latest_news/c19_vaccine_testing.aspx
  3. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/16/tensions-mount-over-handling-of-uk-covid-vaccine-rollout
  4. ^ https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/943663/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v3.pdf
  5. ^ https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/gp-practices/covid-19-vaccination-programme
  6. ^ https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/12/C0938_PCN-notice-letter-4-December-2020.pdf
  7. ^ https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/12/C0923-legal-mechanisms-for-adminstration-of-the-covid-19-vaccines-v2-10-december-2020.pdf
  8. ^ https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/11/covid-19-vacc-deployment-strategy-and-operational-readiness-letter.pdf

Roll-out numbers

These are quoted form the press but my calculations are about 28 million for the 1st phase (vs. 30m in the table). While my estimate may be wrong also, I suspect there is a double count of 1.5 to 2 million. The source clearly did not allow for people appearing in more than one category, as the age group data matches the ONS data exactly. Wayne (talk) 13:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks @Wayne: for raising this and for this edit on the article in an attempt to clarify. I have been thinking about this too as I spotted this alternative metric from the BBC (as it is freely accessible rather than a subscription source). However, the figures do vary, especially the 16-64 underlying health conditions row. I was half hoping the government may publish some sort of commissioned study. However, what do others think? If this is such a grey area, maybe we shouldn't go down the speculative numbers route? Or a simpler disclaimer, as per the BBC source, underneath the table? Do more editors have suggestions? Thanks. --Crep1711 (talk) 18:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I had added a disclaimer in the text above - could put it below. Wayne (talk) 16:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

New government document: UK COVID-19 vaccines delivery plan

Lots of information in this new government document, published yesterday, 11 January. MichaelMaggs (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks @MichaelMaggs: most appreciated. I haven't had a chance to go through it yet but will do so soon. In fact there are loads of different snippets of info / updates I want to do but struggling for time to keep up. Hope, perhaps, to have a bit of a blitz soon. Many thanks for your continued support. --Crep1711 (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Kate Bingham sets out UK vaccine approach

This is a useful article where Kate Bingham discusses the UK vaccine procurement etc. Might be useful for this page. https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/02/07/news/kate_bingham_interview_vaccines_covid_astrazeneca_uk_coronavirus_johnson-286384093/ Jopal22 (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Phase 2 info out of date?

It seems the plan has changed. This BBC News article tells us the new plan is that Phase 2 will be age groups 40-49, 30-39 and 18-29 in that order. This has been reflected on Omni Calculator. However, I can't seem to find anything about the new plan on gov.uk.... — Smjg (talk) 13:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I've updated it using the JCVI interim report. ArcMachaon (talk) 23:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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