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Ridership number[edit]

A recent revision updated the FY 2005 ridership number from 114,000 to the December 2010 figure of ~97,000. Because one month is a small sample for the line's general ridership (and December consistently has lower ridership due to holidays) I changed it to the most recent available yearlong figure (that I can find) which is the FY 2009 number of 136,650 - found in SEPTA's 2011 Annual Plan, as cited in the footnote. Talk | Contibutions 21:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Line Designation on the Table of Subway Stations[edit]

To All, I've noticed that the designations of Ridge Spur service (Which is currently called "S") and the Sport expresses (designated "X") does not confrom to SEPTA designations. SEPTA's own charts use the terms "R" for the Broad-Ridge Spur and "S" (as in Special) for the Sport express. Thus, I believe the table of subway stations should be adjusted to use SEPTA designations for the type of trains, for the sake of consistency. If anyone has any other advice, ideas, or input in this matter, plese feel free to speak up. danntm ^{Talk | Contibutions} 02:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing no objection, I have accordingly altered the table. danntm ^{Talk | Contibutions} 02:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Station Naming Conventions[edit]

Just so everyone knows, I have proposed a naming convention for SEPTA stations, with discussion here. The proposed conventions will require considerable changes for MFL stations. Please feel free to contribute.-- danntm ^T _C 16:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who built the Broad Street Line?[edit]

The article notes that the BSL was planned in the 1920s. But it fails to name the company who built it or the personalities involved. Was it controversial at the time? Why did they choose standard gauge, as opposed to the gauge used on the Market-Frankford Line? — Solo Owl (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Philadelphia Rapid Transit Company built this line, as well as the original PATCO Speedline. Somebody has to do a separate article on that company. ----DanTD (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not correct. The City of Philadelphia built the Broad Street Subway, and the Delaware River Bridge Joint Commission built the "original PATCO Speedline." Upper Darby Dave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.104.70.150 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Orange Line name[edit]

So I've never actually seen the term "Orange Line" used, either in colloquial speech or official documentation. Since there is no supporting evidence for this name listed in the article or references, if there is no objection I will be removing it. Keeping it would be like naming all of the Regional Rail lines Gray Line, or the Trolley lines Green Line, which is inaccurate and misleading, as it insinuates that SEPTA uses a color coded scheme for each individual line. Instead, they use a color coded scheme for types of transit: Blue is Subway/El, Orange is Subway, Green is Trolley, Purple is Interurban Light Rail, and Gray is Regional Rail. nf utvol (talk) 17:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you never got around to removing the term, so I've done it for you. If this later becomes a subject of controversy, a source in defense of the elimination is [1]. 128.135.98.116 (talk) 00:15, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That cite does the opposite of what you claim. An online post saying that the author does not like a name for a thing does not prove that that name is not used for the thing. Rather, it proves that the name is used for the thing. (And, also, it proves that somebody -- in this case, somedoby who is not notable or an authority -- doesn't like it. Which is not relevant to our discussion.) TypoBoy (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting this change since there are plenty of websites that refer to it as the Orange Line. A simple google search using "Orange Line Philadelphia" will show plenty of examples:[2], [3], [4].

Late to the party: I have added to the article an official SEPTA reference for the "Orange Line" name. 2607:F470:6:10FC:EC5D:E8B5:9CAC:B34D (talk) 20:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Station list suggestion[edit]

I just thought of this, but perhaps the station list should include parameters for the neighborhoods each station is located in. Everything else about it is fine. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cost[edit]

The construction cost for the original segment (Olney - South Street) is stated as $102 million. Source: Report of Transit Advisory Committee To General Conference on Transit Situation in Philadelphia. May 24, 1930. Page 3. Upper Darby Dave — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.104.70.150 (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

@Epicgenius:, I've hidden your timeline for the Broad Street Line, it needs citations, and is also missing details on (from what I can see) how spur service once extended to 15th/16th. Broadway appears to be the Camden terminus based on that map. Cards84664 20:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi.1415926535: Can you help me find citations for the timeline? I didn’t think trains had a direct route from Broadway with a train reversal to city hall after the 1930s, and some other dates seem to be missing. Cards84664 22:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can do, but I can't promise much. I don't have access to any specialized sources for the Philly area, just Newspapers.com. If you don't already have Newspapers.com access, you can apply here. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten and cited the section for the Broad-Ridge Spur. Contrary to popular wisdom, spur services never extended past 8th and Market - only Camden trains did. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi.1415926535: Ok. I have also compromised on the Subway-surface lines, and restored the Adjacent stations, as seen here. Cards84664 15:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Orange Line (SEPTA Broad Street Line)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Orange Line (SEPTA Broad Street Line) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 5#Orange Line (SEPTA Broad Street Line) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 23:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Orange Line (Philadelphia Broad Street Line)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Orange Line (Philadelphia Broad Street Line) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 5#Orange Line (Philadelphia Broad Street Line) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 23:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Orange Line (Broad Street Line)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Orange Line (Broad Street Line) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 5#Orange Line (Broad Street Line) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 23:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]