Talk:British Symphony Orchestra

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Worryingly high levels of nonsense[edit]

This article currently consists (April 2019) almost entirely of a load of completely worthless, badly-spelled, unreferenced junk apparently supplemented by numerous suppositions piled upon baseless hypotheses.

The BSO was founded in 1919 by Raymond Rôze for ex-servicemen who had been professional musicians before WW1. Rôze died in 1920 aged only 45. Adrian Boult took over as chief conductor and gave a number of concerts at the People's Palace in the Mile End Road.^[1] A number of internationally recognised soloists and conductors such as Bruno Walter recorded with the orchestra during the 20s and 30s, chiefly for Columbia records.

There is also reference to a modern orchestra with the same name, but with apparently no connection at all to the original ensemble.

It needs to be split into two separate articles dealing with the two orchestras (if the modern one is indeed noteworthy™), with a complete re-write based on reliable sources. I have a number of other things to do, but I'll have a go. >MinorProphet (talk) 03:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The nonsense seems to stem from the fact that there seem to be at least four separate incarnations of a 'British Symphony Orchestra', mostly reported only in the Musical Times.

Formed in 1905 around Sheffield - conductor, Mr. W. Sewell (Musical Times, 1 October 1905 p. 673.) Conducted by Julian Clifford senior in 1906 at Aeolian Hall, & Hamilton Harty in 1908 at the Crystal Palace, not much after c 1912.
Formed a second time by Raymond Rôze in summer 1919, he d. 1920, 1st concert & many others conducted by Adrian Boult - various concert series disbanded 1920 and 1922.
NOT Hitchcock's Blackmail - Music played by the "British International Symphony Orchestra" according to Imdb, and a viewing of the actual film: wrongly given as "British Symphony Orchestra" in International Dictionary of Films and Filmmakers Volume 1 - Films, p. 142
Formed a third time c. 1931, possibly as Columbia's house orchestra: conducted by Felix Weingartner. "The playing of this light Viennese music is chiefly noteworthy for its sturdiness. The orchestra (new to us, though the name was synonymous with good work some ten years ago) goes undeviatingly through with its task...": and with Bruno Walter and Joseph Szigeti playing Beethoven Violin Concerto.
"The British Symphony Orchestra (recruited from unemployed British Musicians) will supply small combinations for Oratorios, Cantatas, and any Church functions needing musicians" (Small ads., Musical Times, October 1934 p. 866) - any relation to the previous entry?
Formed a fourth (or fifth) time in 2016.

Got all the refs missing from the original article. Onwards and upwards... >MinorProphet (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm proposing to upload these draft articles:

>MinorProphet (talk) 14:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC) 6 October 2019[reply]

References

^ Adrian Boult's orchestral outreach in East London: 'a bit of genuine decentralisation'. The Guardian, 16 February 2016. Retrieved 28 April 2019.

[1] Adrian Boult's orchestral outreach in East London: 'a bit of genuine decentralisation'. The Guardian, 16 February 2016. Retrieved 28 April 2019.

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