Talk:Bono/Archive 4

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Removal of "Recognition" section

The Criticism section was long ago merged into the rest of the article because it was felt that such a section did not meet a Neutral point of view. However the Recognition section, which can also be said to not meet that policy, remained. I've tried to rectify that and make the article as Neutral as possible by merging the Recognition section into other areas of the article where possible. I've tried to select where they would best fit, but any help in juggling it around is much welcome. The vast majority went under Humanitarian work, but some information also made it's way under Musical career (32 best singer) and Personal life (100 greatest Britons). Though all the information remains, I hope that the merging of Recognition gives the article a more Neutral point-of-view. MelicansMatkin (talk) 01:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Both separate criticism and praise sections are inherently problematic. They become dumping spots or any praise or criticism - that's not what wikipedia is about. --Merbabu (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

But uh, this article doesn't have /any/ criticism of Bono now. Which /is/ a problem. It makes him sound like a universally-loved frontman for a rockband that's actively saving the world. Which isn't the case. In the slightest. It also doesn't mention that he tried getting Bob Dylan drunk to have sex with him, as Dylan mentions in his memoir Chronicles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.222.85 (talk) 23:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

yeah what happened here bono definitely has a controversy or two that should be addressed, he equated mp3 pirates to pederasts and where is mention of his cameo in south park in his filmography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.124.155 (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bono's poor choice of words is hardly a noteworthy addition, specially considering the matter has since dwindled significantly. Also, he was parodied, probably without permission, in South Park, so, it should be on Matt Stone and Trey Parker' filmographies perhaps? Politik999 (talk) 06:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Why should his controversy be on their pages? And there are many negative views to his humanitarian work, other than south park, that could be added 220.255.7.153 (talk) 10:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

man utd

bono supports man utd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.211.208 (talk) 06:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

So? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

so man u fans have one more reason to sell their red jerseys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.7.152 (talk) 10:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

very funny... there is no reference for that and it is not important. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Personal Life

While it is technically true that the Commune of Eze, where the Hewson family has a villa, is in the French departement of the Alpes-Maritimes (I have a second home in the same departement), it would be a great deal more informative to readers if this location were described as the French Riviera (Côte d'Azur in French). Dick Kimball (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Bono Pictures

why do I see the SAME pictures on U2 and Bono entries? If anyone of you need Bono pictures (even from the recent US leg of the 360° Tour and I mean it It, please contact me...Geez... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.169.207.19 (talk) 21:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I left u a message on your talk, just in case u havent see it, please, send all the pictures u have of bono to this email address.... help me please!! reply ASAP on my talk>>>>> mailen@ipichja.rimed.cu... thank u Ali Hewson (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DID U SEE MY MESSAGE???? U2_Girl! (talk) 13:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

William Easterly

http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/african-leaders-advise-bono-on-reform-of-u2/ This criticism needs inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.248.182 (talk) 05:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It's satirical, not criticism. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy

2 statements Following the Enniskillen bombing that left 11 dead and 63 injured on 8 November 1987, the Provisional IRA paramilitaries threatened to kidnap Bono.[2] IRA supporters also attacked a vehicle carrying the band members.[2] and their source Assayas, Michka (2005). Bono on Bono: Conversations with Michka Assayas. London: Hodder & Stoughton. ISBN 0-340-83276-2. This guy does not know what part of Dublin he comes from so would he be an accurate encyclopedic source on information on himself 21:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.208.160 (talk)

He is protected by Sinn Fein and Concerned parents against Drugs John Noonan when he is in Dublin so I do not think that that caused too much concern 12:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.110.186 (talk)

Piracy on the High Seas

We need something to put this fecal matter in context. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/opinion/03bono.html 59.100.230.156 (talk) 10:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

This just in: Bono is a member of the English minority in Ireland

If you follow this kind of reasoning… I don’t but are nevertheless curious if he speaks and/or uses Irish (in every day life) and wonder if info about it shouldn’t be put into this article. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 08:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

A source will need to be found for that kind of change. That reasoning doesn't seem to be particularly solid to be honest. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh no he wasn't!

"Bono was born in Glasnevin, Dublin, Ireland," states the article but he was born in the Mater Hospital, Eccles Street, Dublin 7. 20:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.110.186 (talk)

Source for the change? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:40, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I would guess one of his biographies could confirm www.angelfire.com/wi/theu2experience/BonoProfile.htm . I believe it might be mentioned in Bono on Bono. Note rotunda not Mater86.43.110.186 (talk) 16:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

We would not consider Angelfire as a reliable source because it is written by anybody. Although the Angelfire biog may be true, you are correct that his own autobiography would be more reliable. Rodhullandemu 16:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

We would not consider Wikipedia as a reliable source because it is written by anybody.154.5.32.113 (talk) 03:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not, that's why we don't use Wikipedia articles as a source either. It has to be sourced from an outside, published, verifiable source. MrBook (talk) 21:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It is not accurate to say Bono was raised in Glasnevin. Bono lived in Cedarwood which is Dublin 11 Finglas East off Ballymun Avenue (later renamed Glasnevin Avenue in a 1970's plebiscite). The area of Glasnevin is some distance south of Cedarwood and split between Dublin postal districts 9 and 11. Many regarded the plebiscite as an attempt to disassociate the areas either side of Ballymun avenue from the name Ballymun which had become associated with the high rise flats. The more accurate terminology might be simply to use the postal district designation of Dublin 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.194.152 (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Jay-Z and Rihanna

I've added the above names under Collaberations, after the Help Haiti concert. However, I don't have anywhere to reference it to, so if someone could do that it would be great. Kiwinil (talk) 03:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Early life

Would this do for a citation http://books.google.ie/books?id=ZMQFvdPeipUC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=bono%2Bglasnevin+primary+school&source=bl&ots=F_Ia8n4R5-&sig=fpjXcgPnads5t6yqexxQ45ke6Gk&hl=en&ei=LhheS82oKYKQjAfh4Z2pAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBQQ6AEwBTgK ? 86.43.110.186 (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think so, yes. Thank you; I'll add the book citation now. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hat And Hearse

OK so didn't he sue someone for the return of his hat? And what about the story that he paid to have it flown in a seperate 'plane to one of his concerts because no other hat would do? Was that just sour grapes on the part of the ex-employee, or did that actually happen? I read in Record Mirror that he drives a hearse, which would seem to be a big vehicle for one person, especially one who claims to be concerned about global warming. Did he have it converted to biodiesel or something? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables. It refers to pretending not to care for something one does not or cannot have.154.5.32.113 (talk) 03:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The band put out an injunction over an auction held by an ex-employee who tried to sell some of their personal belongings. I have heard no story that he paid for it to be flown on a plane; that is either sour grapes or completely fictitious. I have no clue what Bono's family vehicle is, but in so far as I am aware he has never campaigned for or tried to raise awareness about climate change; his focus is on third world debt and extreme poverty, not the environment. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Never Mind the Buzzcocks featured the hat on a plane incident, and I assume they'd have checked their facts. I'll see if I can find a mention. Rodhullandemu 16:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just seen this mentioned on Would I Lie To You? so it may not have been Buzzcocks, and I presume their lawyers would have approved it, so it can be cited if anyone's interested. Also sourced here: "Profile: Bono - Telegraph". telegraph.co.uk. Retrieved 2010-03-23.. Rodhullandemu 22:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

U2 first paragraph

The last sentence under Music Career U2 talks about Bono wanting to play Beach boys cover in school and ends with "Unfortunately the band could not play covers very well, so they started writing their own songs." I believe "Unfortunately" should be changed to "Fortunately" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.200.136.184 (talk) 03:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN VANDALISED. Please remove the link to "more crap" down the bottom.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.115.129 (talk • contribs)

This is a link to a South Park episode in which Bono is portrayed. I make no comment on whether it's appropriate, but it is not vandalism. Rodhullandemu 16:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Encyclopedic

One individual in the article referred to in note 111 refers to the Netherlands as a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven. The Netherlands does not rate as a Tax Haven on the wikipedia page. 86.40.208.206 (talk) 13:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Emergency spinal surgery

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10139846.stm U2's lead singer Bono has had emergency spinal surgery Off2riorob (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

And he's out. Use the 'cite' ref wiki code here if you like, http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100525-27417.html,

--220.101.28.25 (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

References

Bono collaborating with Mick Jagger not listed

On Mick Jagger's 2001 album "Goddess In The Doorway", on the song "Joy", Bono sings solo two of the verses and the outro with Mick. I can't find a source for this, but if you listen to the song, you can clearly hear it is Bono. This should be listed, as it is a great song (but that's not the only reason). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.225.209 (talk) 04:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, Bono has always been a musical whore (used, of course, with the utmost respect) it's not uncommon to find a new collaboration with Bono & nearly any artist you could imagine, the page is locked, I don't know how to edit it, but a list of Bono Collaborations to help expand the ridiculously short section dealing with his music career. 24.12.3.209 (talk) 21:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

KBE removed

Wikipedia forbids the use of minor/national awards in the lede. KBE is precisely that, even though nationalistic British people would like to think it's an international award. It's simply another attempt by these people to claim Bono's achivements as British. British tabloids are jingoistic enough without this seeping into Wikipedia. Dunlavin Green (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:INITIAL; it's perfectly permissible. A British Knighthood is hardly a "minor award", and I take note you haven't made the same edit to Bob Geldof or Terry Wogan. Whither neutrality then? A look at WP:SOAPBOX is also recommended. Rodhullandemu 15:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Why does Ronald Reagan, to take one of many people, not have his honour from the British state after his name on his page? Is putting this national honour only acceptable when it tries to hijack the achievements of Irish people? 93.107.221.143 (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The relevant wording from WP:INITIAL is "country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated". Ronald Reagan could be argued not to fulfill that criterion in the same way that Bono, Bob Geldof and Terry Wogan do. Geldof and Wogan are closely associated with British media, and live in the UK; their awards reflect that connection. I see no reasonable distinction to be made for Bono, since he, too, is not afraid to use the UK media to get his message across. I'd also say it's an arguably greater honour to receive an award from a country other than one's own, e.g. British, American, Polish and Irish! - see Samuel Beckett- servicemen awarded the Croix de Guerre by France. And I'd love to known how this represents a "hijacking" of the contributions of Irish people? If they have been given honours by the Irish government, there's no reason why those should not be included for balance, but I don't know that they have been. Rodhullandemu 16:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Under no interpretation could Bono be said to have been "closely associated" with Britain in the same way as Wogan or Geldof who have lived and made their money in Britain. Bono has never lived there and, as for making money, he has made a fortune out of every country in the EU. Why do you think Britain should suddenly have a special privilege? Bono is an explicitly Irish singer and an Irish citizen, by his own definition. He is not a British citizen. He has merely received an honour from that state, as he has from states across the world. Wogan, in contrast, is a British citizen who has made his living solely there for the past 40-odd years. And as for Ronald Reagan, few people in Anglo-American relations since WWII have been as closely associated with Britain as Ronald Reagan has been. If anybody fulfils Wikipedia's "closely associated" criterion, it is he. Dunlavin Green (talk) 17:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Where does it say "Wikipedia forbids the use of minor/national awards in the lede."? Kittybrewster ☎ 17:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

From this Wikipedia policy: 'Post-nominal letters, other than those denoting academic degrees, should be included when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated. Honors issued by other entities may be mentioned in the article, but generally should be omitted from the lead". In other words, the KBE is included here when it should only be included if the subject has been closely associated with the awarder. If this is not the case "Honors issues by other entities may be mentioned in the article, but generally should be omitted from the lead". As Bono is Irish and has, unlike Wogan or Geldof, never lived in Britain (never mind made a career there for decades) it is entirely inappropriate for one national award from a foreign country to be given in the lead when national awards from other foreign countries do not get this prominence. This is a clear case of British nationalist hijacking of an international figure. An Academy Award winning actress in the 1980s framed her objections to this thus: "If I were lying drunk in Heathrow Airport I'd be Irish but when I win an Oscar I'm British" Dunlavin Green (talk) 10:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I assume, if the award were Irish, there'd still be calls for its deletion. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

What a load of... Dunlavin Green, stop making these assumptions, there not welcome here. DNFTT. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 00:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

"They are not". And on behalf of whom do you speak? Dunlavin Green (talk) 17:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

You might want to go around editing my user pages. There is a quote up at the top from Bono and i include the KBE on everything except this project. Don't worry i'm going to go fix my omission now.

As for this article, it comes down to how damn picky you want to be about "closely associated". The quote from the British Academy Award winning actress who is actually Irish is about as relevant as well nothing. One would have to be extremely ignorant to believe Bono is British.

Wildly crazy idea: has anyone thought to ask him what he thinks of this?

Long live Bono, KBE delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 21:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather not see post-nominal letters in wikipedia at all. No matter what country awarded them or the nationality of the subject. I think wikipedia would be better off being clean and above the awards of other entities (countries, universities, etc). Of course, mention them as appropriate in the article, but for wikipedia should be about full objectivity, not blindly presenting the bestowments of others. So yes, I would like to see them removed from the Reagan and Geldof articles, but no, I'm not about to do it, so please don't ask why I don't as part of your counter to my positon.--Merbabu (talk) 07:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm adding to the confusion about this, but since he has been knighted shouldn't he be Sir Paul David Hewson KBE? Dick Kimball (talk) 19:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Dick Kimball Is in the archives somewhere, I think. something about he being Irish and only british can be awarded. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I have removed it as per guidelines, unless someone would care to show how Bono is closely associated with the UK, he is not a resident, national or employed there, it should stay out. Murry1975 (talk) 02:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Murry1975 Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)