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I am an undergraduate student, and as part of a writing class I have decided to contribute to the article on Body Positivity! Agcohen96 (talk) 03:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Agchoen96: Thanks for expanding this article, and welcome to Wikipedia! When you're ready, you might consider soliciting feedback from other editors by posting a note about your work at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology, or other related WikiProject talk pages. This can be a helpful way to get fresh eyes on the article, or identify any content gaps, helpful sources, etc. This is not required, but might help with article development. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

CCTP 742 - AV

1." Body positivity is a social movement rooted in the belief that all human beings should have a positive body image, and be accepting of their own bodies as well as the bodies of others. The body positivity movement addresses the unfeasible about self-acceptance, beauty, and self-esteem. The movement sets forth the notion that beauty is a construct of society, and poses that this construct should not infringe upon one's ability to feel confidence or self-worth. The idea surrounding the body positivity movement is centered around the notion that people need to love themselves to the fullest, accepting their physical traits. "

Added citation: Cwynar-Horta, Jessica (2016-12-31). "The Commodification of the Body Positive Movement on Instagram". Stream: Inspiring Critical Thought. 8 (2): 36–56. ISSN 1916-5897.

--Corve1994 (talk) 17:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

2. The shift of fat activism from a niche movement to a mainstream platform, activists recognize that size is just one of the many ways that our bodies are judged by other. The movements is working with fat acceptance, racial justice, trans and queer inclusivity and disability.

Added citation: Alptraum, Lux. "A Short History of 'Body Positivity'". Fusion. Retrieved 2019-02-23.

3. Since the 2012, and the popularity launch of social media platforms like instagram, there has been a heightened presence of the movement. The movement challenged in the most public for yet the norm of feminine of smooth skin, body size and avoid any imperfections.

Cwynar-Horta, Jessica (2016-12-31). "The Commodification of the Body Positive Movement on Instagram". Stream: Inspiring Critical Thought. 8 (2): 36–56. ISSN 1916-5897.

4. The Model and feminist Tess Holliday founded the @EffYourBeautyStandards which brought an outpour of support to the body positive movement. Instagram being utilized as an advertising platform for the movement since. Pioneers connect with brands and advertisers to promote the movement.

--Corve1994 (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

5. Body positivity & Inclusion The Psychology around the Body Positivity Movement

--Corve1994 (talk) 20:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

6. The Body Positivity Movement has been ground breaking because of the effect it has on the psychology of a person. [13] The movement encourages the partakers view self-acceptance and self-love as traits that dignify the person.[13] Added: Drake, Victoria (2018). "The Impact of Female Empowerment in Advertising". Media Report to Women; Coltons Point: 12–17, 23.

--Corve1994 (talk) 21:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

7. The psychology of the movement goes beyond feeling good. It started spreading to create awareness around the difficult illnesses that some suffer like Anorexia and bulimia; the movement is shedding light on subjects that brands and bigger companies refused to talk about. Big retailers like Aerie are acknowledging the power of influence they have on Behavioral advertising and the positive impact this could have for a new generation.

Added Citation: "Aerie Supports National Eating Disorders Awareness Week with Third Consecutive Customer Engagement Campaign". www.businesswire.com. 2017-02-16. Retrieved 2019-02-23. Added Citation: Penn, Joanna (2012-05-01). "Behavioral Advertising: The Cryptic Hunter and Gatherer of the Internet". 64 Federal Communications Law Journal 599 (2012). 64 (3). ISSN 0163-7676

--Corve1994 (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Botero?

Would'nt it be good to mention Botero, and perhaps show one of his many statues? - His "style" is to show full-bodied women. Another person to mention is perhaps Spencer Tunick (He is known for showing groups of naked people in various settings). Just ideas, though...Eptalon (talk) 08:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eptalon, this could be interesting. Could you explain how Fernando Botero and Spencer Tunick are related to Body Positivity, in your opinion and according to sources, and how we could integrate this information on this page? Thanks, Laurier (talk) 06:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Spencer Tunick is known for arranging scenes of many nude people, which he then takes a picture of (he's a photographer, after all). The people looking at the image see many nude people, in some setting; what the individual naked man or women looks like, and where he/she is fat/thin, big-breasted, bald,... becomes irrelevant - In that view, I think he helps people who have a problem with their appearance overcome this problem. As to botero, look at sites such as this one, where they mention body positivity; I don't know, this is the result of like 10 minute searching, and I am no arts major. I have no idea of how to use this in the existing article, though Eptalon (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Spencer Tunick installation

Two of Tunick's installations, possibly usable Eptalon (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution and the files! Maybe we can use it on the page. Laurier (talk) 06:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Criticism source used wrong

In the "criticism" section a source is used (number 40) incorrectly.

The source is: Wang, Guanlin; Djafarian, Kurosh; Egedigwe, Chima A.; Hamdouchi, Asmaa El; Ojiambo, Robert; Ramuth, Harris; Wallner-Liebmann, Sandra Johanna; Lackner, Sonja; Diouf, Adama; Sauciuvenaite, Justina; Hambly, Catherine (2015-08-25). "The relationship of female physical attractiveness to body fatness". PeerJ. 3: e1155. doi:10.7717/peerj.1155. ISSN 2167-8359.

The current version of the "criticism" section states: "A central concept in the body positivity movement is that beauty is mostly a social construct. The body of scientific evidence currently available indicates that a significant portion of beauty standards are not learned from society, and similar throughout the world. (...) A 2015 study suggested that on average men prefer thin women with a body fat index of 19; the study involved over 1300 male participants from Europe, Asia, and Africa".

However, the cited study, if anything, contributes to the idea of beauty as a social construct. Quoting from the study: "This is an enormous difference in body weight and based on these data we can clearly reject the evolutionary models, as formulated, based on health, fertility and famine survival". Before doing the survey, scientists calculated what would be "inborn", "evolutionary" idea of female beauty - and that would be around 22-24 BMI, as women with this weight have the longest live expectancy and fertility. However, modern men chose as "attractive" the thinnest possible women. Thus, "evolutionary models" are rejected and the study contributes to the idea of beauty as a social construct. To use it as an evidence to the contrary is incorrect.

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Tagging for too many sections & duplicate

Reading this article, I found a lot of repeating contents. For example: the definition of body positivity is repeated multiple times throughout the article. Mental health problems are described twice. It gives me the idea that this article has too may sections, and should be shortened drastically. Therefore, I tagged the article for too many sections.

Furthermore, lots of the contents should be under Fat acceptance movement. The Body positivity#History section mostly matches the Fat acceptance movement#History section. This article should be about the body positivity movement, which is mostly a social media movement and therefore has a relatively short history. The fat acceptance movement is very similar to the body positivity movement, but if we are going to have two separate articles, we should keep the topics separate. Therefore, I tagged the history section as duplicate.

This article is on my to-do list to work on. I've resolved the encyclopedic tone issues and rewrote the lead section such that it uses reliable sources. Let me know what you think about all of this. Pyrite Pro (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

I think I completely agree. I do think this movement started long before the internet existed, but not with this specific name 'body positivity', and yes, there is a large 'overlap' with fat acceptance, of course. Your edits on the page are a real improvement, thank you! Laurier (talk) 06:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Improving sourcing - blogs, cites needed

By my very rough-and-ready count, the refs cited in this article consist of:

• 8 blogs
• 17 academic journal articles
• 5 theses / university study papers
• 9 general sources supporting plain statements, e.g Dove said such and such; exercise clothes available from ...
• 2 popular science media (Psych Today, etc)

The remaining (of 50) are general news sources - from reasonable places like BBC Future, the Guardian - and yes, some are opinion pieces. That does not necessarily disqualify them as RS for an topic of this kind, in my view. It is, after all, discussing (purportedly) prevailing social attitudes and experiences.

There is one {Cite needed} tag for an unsupported statement. There are 2 "additional" or "better source needed" tags. Where else are cites needed or improved sources needed? I'd like to help with sourcing, but I am having trouble working out which sources are unreliable and which statements are unsupported. Blogs, just because they're blogs, are not completely out of the question, per WP:USESPS and WP:BLOGS, but if any are particularly bad, please highlight them: I'd love to find something better to replace them with - or edit the content if warranted. Thanks - looking forward to hearing, and hoping to help. 49.177.107.107 (talk) 08:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I just wanted to say that when I deleted the {ref improve} tag it was not because I thought the article was ideally sourced. I was merely hoping that any inadequacies noted by editors would attract inline tags. It is only my opinion, but once a page reaches a certain level of inline referencing, I find the utility of a ref improve hatnote very limited. If they're a year or so old, as in this case (and the article is not an actual citation desert), I like to remove them and replace with inline or section cn tags. Is that a bad approach? 49.177.107.107 (talk) 08:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I've added appropriate inline tags. I've found that lots of bold claims are backed up by blogs, which is not good practice in my opinion. In some cases, they could support the claim, but should not be the only source. Source 21, Douglas, Grace (December 2018), is not reliable on its own as a master thesis has barely any editorial oversight. Sources 19, Kight, Dagny (July 1, 2014), and 20, NAAFA website, are dead links.

Before working on sourcing, you might want to take a look at the discussion above. I would propose to drastically shorten the article, which might make sourcing easier. This is on my to-do list, but any help is appreciated! Cheers, Pyrite Pro (talk) 09:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @Pyrite Pro I see what you mean in the above discussion. Yes, the bold statements need academic, or at least more objective, sources. I might wait for the new "slimmed down" (!) version, and then see if I can find some journal articles and so on.

Also, I have replaced two of the dead link sources: There's a post on the NAAFP site that refers to Louderback as the inspiration for the organisation. It is possible it may not be the original source that has gone 404, but it does support the statement. I archived this site page, too. If the new one is okay, would you mind deleting the old dead-linked ref please? The other one - the Kight blog - I actually had no trouble accessing. Did you mean a different source, perhaps? Or maybe the website was down for a while? Anyway, I included its archive-url and updated its access-date to today. I removed the dead link tags. Hope that's okay. Thanks. 49.177.107.107 (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks for your note on my Talk page. I was being silly: As you say, the bot doesn't read, which I knew, but decided to take out my bile on an "insentient" thing! I did report the false positive and re-reverted the change before I went on my talk-page "reversion-rage". I enjoyed the venting, though! 49.177.107.107 (talk) 08:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

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Has there ever been any focus on body features not visually perceived?

I.e. meaning the sound of a person's voice. For example, people being statistically treated "better" if their voice sounds a certain way (e.g. a pitch "expected" for their gender). Wallby (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)