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One decision

This is going to be the ONE decision humankind not only allowed to happen, but seemingly celebrated.

This has already let to MY 3, in 18 months, "spiritual"/"biotech" severe assaults, attempted murder, stalking, peeping, theft, terror, and worse

Even BEFORE this happened to me, I found the mere idea of this abhorrent and had faith most of mankind would, as well. To find humans celebrating this new psuedozeitchrist is absolutely shameful.

My entire life was taken and Im not going to give up until I specifically find out who is responsible for the countless charges I cant wait to formally file — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.34.58.44 (talk) 02:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Suggested improvements

Include under controversy - Patenting and Corporate Control - outline controversy showing examples of both sides?

User:Nljoseph (User_talk:Nljoseph) 18:27, 03 December 2013 (EST)

Concrete suggestions from lthalheim@googlemail.com a contributor to the DIYbio list, on thread "Re: [DIYbio] Wikipedia clean up":

Expand the paragraph on the "first meaning" of biohacking and make it a bit more solid and less hand-wavy. In particular "In this context, biohacking refers to mixing and matching genes and characteristics from different species." really needs to go.
"Mixing and matching genes and characteristics from different species" is plain old transgenic genetic modification and engineering, and equating "biohacking" with this is just factually wrong.
The paragraph on the "second meaning" of biohacking is also still pretty mushy. It does belong in the article, though, just like the separation of the "two types" of biohacking - people on this list may not identify much with the self-tuning and body modification aspect, but the term "biohacking" _is_ used to refer to it, so an encyclopedic article should cover both these uses.
One other aspect that may belong in an article on biohacking is "Biohacking in art" - after all, artists have engaged in using/subverting biotech long before the DIYBio thing took off, see Eduardo Kac (the Damien Hirst of bioart, as he was once called), Luke Jerram, the Critical Art Ensemble or pretty much anyone whose name is in the book "Tactical Biopolitics". Including some of this is justified, I think, since artists have started using the term "biohacking" to describe their work [citation needed]. Hackteria may be one example here.

Yakushima (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


I changed the pronouns concerning lepht anonym to be what it prefers, as it considers itself gender neutral (http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/03/faq.html 173.61.196.224 (talk) 02:42, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Possible merge with Do-it-yourself biology

This article and Do-it-yourself biology seem to cover largely the same ground. Is there a difference in the terms large enough to justify separate articles? If not, what title should be used for the merged article? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 02:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

As part of my overall reorganization of biohacker articles, I've moved this article from Biohacker to Grinder (biohacking community) and refocused it to cover that specific aspect of biohacker culture. Biohacker now redirects to Do-it-yourself biology, which has a section about grinders leading back here. Of course, I'm always open to feedback. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 01:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

+1 - David Gerard (talk) 09:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Strong oppose: those groups overlap but need to be distinguished. The DIY biology group, culture and movement is biology done by citizens and hobbyists, biohackers are transhumanists that hack their own bodies. It needs 2 separate articles. --Fixuture (talk) 18:47, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Steve Mann

Should Steve Mann be included on this page? It is acknowledged that he has carried out much important research into wearables, but this page is about biohacking which, by it's nature, surely means non-wearables. Clearly if he has carried out research related to technology which is implanted then that could be mentioned, along with appropriate citations. But otherwise this doesn't seem to be the appropriate page for Prof. Mann Joseperez22 (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC) 

I’d like to talk with someone who has better understanding bout implants mines been hacked for sure Credentials89 (talk) 02:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 March 2020

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved to Body hacking. There is a clear consensus that the current title is not ideal, but the preferred move target is less clear. However, Body hacking appears to be acceptable to a majority of discussion participants, and already redirects here. BD2412 T 00:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Grinder (biohacking) → Grinder (subculture) – Per WP:CONSISTENCY and because it's not obvious to many people what "biohacking" actually means. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Jerm (talk) 15:17, 21 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412 T 17:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment: "Grinder" appears to be an informal slang term for the more official term "biohacker". Reliable sources tend to use the name "biohacker" so maybe we should be using that instead of "grinder"? See... BBC Guardian Independent Bloomberg Suggest a better title for this article might be "Biohacking (subculture)", with the term "grinder" introduced in the lead as an alternative name used by proponents. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Biohacking is used to describe at least two unrelated subcultures, which is why it's currently a disambiguation page. I actually think Body hacking is a better title for this article. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 15:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge this article and Do-it-yourself biology, either into DIY Biology or just on top of the (current) disambig page Biohacking. There's not enough material to make a useful or interesting distinction between "people who do biohacking" (the current Grinder article) and "biohacking itself" so just merge 'em. The other 3 meanings at the disambig page seem very distant and worthy of perhaps a See also, not really likely to be disambig targets. SnowFire (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
    • @SnowFire: So, grinders and DIY biology are two separate communities, despite both using the label "biohacking". A while ago when I reorganized these articles, I did a pretty thorough search of articles on biohacking, and all (but one) of them mentioned either grinders or DIY biology, but not both. The only article I found that does mention both [1] pretty clearly indicates that they're separate. So they need to have separate articles. That being said, I think the use of the term "biohacking" is consfusing, so that's why I prefer using the term "body hacking" in this article title. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support move, though I think Grinder (body hacking) or Body hacking would be better for the reasons given above. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support move, Grinder is seen to be the more physical (technology) side of biohacking in general. While biohacking can cover both technology and biology while most people think of biohacking as one thing is is at least 2 subcultures so suggest that we mane them "Biohacking (subculture)" where subculture could be hardware or biological — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.153.110 (talk) 16:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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