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It is preposterous to say that Biette Cassinel was not the mistress of Dauphin Charles. A loaded and unsubstantiated quote in english 600 years removed from the subject matter and period DOES NOT qualify as a reference. If you do not read the actual french secondary sources from this period, which in this instance goes as far as describing how Charles specifically wore Biettes' family emblem in public, then you cannot be editing these pages, because all of the original sources are in french. Even finding where they are is difficult. The quote being left here should not be on this page. People need to edit subjects in the language they understand when it is not a contemporary subject, because it is inappropriate if you cannot or are not referencing the actual first hand and secondary sources when you are trying to have an actual encyclopedia, otherwise it is just another blog, and we are better than that.
"because it is inappropriate if you cannot or are not referencing the actual first hand and secondary sources when you are trying to have an actual encyclopedia, otherwise it is just another blog.."
Actually it was you who used a blog to support your own edit. So much for "600 years removed from the subject matter". LMAO. You search for what you wanted it to say and then used whatever supports your own personal POV.
Merlet, which I have added to both articles, explains clearly how Jean de Montagu could not be Charles V's son, and that he was 12 or 13 at the time of Jean's birth.
"A loaded and unsubstantiated quote in english 600 years removed from the subject matter and period DOES NOT qualify as a reference."
Also, another threat from you logged in or out as you did here, will result in the notification of an Admin. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The source, Champion, Chez H. (1884). Société de l'histoire de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France (Tome XI ed.). Paris. p. 220, is not written by Chez H. Champion which is the publisher. The page 220, cites Gilles Corrozet(a French writer), Antiquites de Paris, livre II, p.118. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
