Talk:Ben Affleck

Sexual assault

I removed the Sexual assault on Hilarie Burton section but was reverted by The lorax. I removed the section for two reasons: 1.) WP:UNDUE and 2.) because it was sourced to People.com. Now, I understand there numerous reliable sources popping up covering the incident but does it warrant inclusion on the BLP, let alone its own subsection? Let's discuss. Meatsgains (talk) 15:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I think it does warrant inclusion, based on coverage and Affleck's acknowledgment, but I think the previous version needs editing to describe the accurate claim and statements, rather than using descrptions and offenses that are not verifiable. Golta (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

As wrong as he was to grope her—we can all agree on that—it only came into the conversation recently as a form of whataboutism in regards to his admonishment of Harvey Weinstein. He apologized (informally, in my opinion) and to be honest I don't think it requires being put into his wikipedia article unless we also talk about that video from the Anne-Marie Losique press junket that is being taken wildly out of context as groping. That was not only consensual but it was planned. Her words, not mine.Trillfendi (talk) 01:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

How's this for a compromise? We mention it at the bottom of his personal life section.--The lorax (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment I am leaning towards not including, especially at this delicate moment. Allow time to gain more perspective and comply with WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:RECENT. If it continues to draw significant coverage from reputable sources over time, we could consider including it under a proper section. The incident, which in itself would be treated as WP:BLPGOSSIP at the time it happened, got blown up overnight as a result of the Weinstein scandal. Its inclusion would not only violate WP:SENSATION but also risk victimizing Hilarie Burton, who herself did not seek any public apology. Keep in mind, it is a featured biography of living people, which requires a high degree of sensitivity. Any inclusion of such incident would be used as examples for writing other BLPs. Artoasis (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed - let's give it some time since it can be assumed this arose as a result of the Weinstein scandal. If additional reliable sources continue to cover the incident, then we can mention it in the personal life section. Meatsgains (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Information belongs on page. I even adjusted mistakes the other user made. The video showing the incident is even sourced as well.JoetheMoe25 (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Please read the above comments first. Artoasis (talk) 03:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Why does the article mention Burton's incident but not Anne-Marie Losique's? It can mention she commented it was consensual, but it was still in the news. [1][2][3] -85.250.83.116 (talk) 09:32, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Why mention a rumor only to clarify that it's untrue? Seems iffy --Popeye191 (talk) 18:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Sexual misconduct and TFA

Wow. Imagine my surprise to see that a man who admitted to sexual misconduct and was questioned about it on Colbert yesterday, was listed as the featured article. Even more surprising was that when I clicked on the article, there was no mention of the allegations against him and any references to the controversy had been scrubbed. Frankly, I've read the discussion above and I don't follow the rationale that because the allegations surrounding Affleck were revealed during the discussion of Harvey Weinstein, they shouldn't be included in the former's article. They exist, have been covered in dozens of reliable third-party sources, and should have been added before the article was featured. I'm at work right now so I can't make the edits myself until later, but it seems to me that there was a breakdown in the WP FA process somewhere. Affleck's article is very clearly incomplete and should have been removed from the FA queue when these allegations were made public. TritonsRising (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC) (edited TritonsRising (talk) 00:46, 18 November 2017 (UTC))

Agree, the incident with Hilarie Burton, with Affleck groping her breasts without consent deserves to be mentioned in this article, especially after Stephen Colbert confronted him about the incident on his show.--The lorax (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Why is it relevant to this section to include a picture of the incident? Is it supposed to serve as proof that he did indeed grope her? Because I personally don't see any groping, or breast tweaking or grabbing, whatever you want to call it, in that picture. Does anyone else? On the opposite, it only shows him giving her a hug, with his hand around her shoulders and her laughing. And neither does the actual video on Yuotube show any actual groping, so how about being fair and unbiased and sticking with only presenting facts, instead of personal assumptions and interpretation? What is really important, that absolutely HAS TO BE included, is to clarify the inaccuracy and/or exaggeration of her claim because that she wasn't a "kid" at the time, in the sense that she wasn't a child or a minor. Miss Burton was 21 years old at the time, which made her a legal adult. That's a big distinction and it's necessary to be noted. Anyone reading the article might get the false impression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.22.231 (talk) 13:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2017

Under the Personal Life of Ben Affleck, the "TRL Incident" should be changed to "Sexual Assault Allegations" because there is more than one accusation.

This should be added under that section:
A makeup artist, Annamarie Tendler, came forward alleging Affleck grabbed her butt at a party after the 71st Golden Globe Awards. 2001:8003:65D3:B400:7D3C:7A22:6484:776C (talk) 21:20, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done but I made a few changes. I dropped "Sexual" and the section is now just called "Assault allegations" because the word sexual is extremely contentious. See WP:BLP for more. I also changed "butt" to "behind" because the word "butt" in this case isn't really encyclopedic. I dropped the Daily Mirror reference because the AOL one pretty much covers this and we're moving away from using British tabloids as sources. Thank you for doing this work; please have a look at the edit and let me know if there are any issues. CityOfSilver 17:35, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Annamrie Tendler put out a tweet, she didn't make a formal sexual assault allegation and she has since not elaborated on it. Since when is a "tweet" considered a sexual assault allegation? Based on what exactly? And what decides if it is relevant enough to be considered or mentioned in a person's biography? And if you are going to make a reference to it, at least include the exact wording of the claim, don't make your own interpretation about a serious issue like this. In the same tweet, she also claimed that in the moment, he made it out to be an accident, while trying to move her out of the way. But then she also says, she didn't say anything at the time. It sounded very contradictory and confusing and of questionable veracity, and since there is no further elaboration, it might have been indeed been accident and Ms. Tendler had the wrong impression. Considering Ben never responded to it and it didn't receive enough attention in the media from reputable sources, what is the point of mentioning this? To detail everything that has been said on the internet about Ben Affleck? I can tweet sth tomorrow about him, will it make it a sexual assault allegation? Is it going to be mentioned on his bio the next day? Ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.142.212 (talk) 20:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated means unverified. It's a claim made on twitter, with no verification from reporters, no further response from any side, and no follow-up stories of any sorts. Its inclusion violates WP:PERSISTENCE as well as WP:BLP. Artoasis (talk) 01:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2019

Hi, I want to add Ben Affleck’s height can I do that please? Ian656787 (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DannyS712 (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2020

Ben Affleck's relationship with his nanny Christine Ouzounian is not present in the article under the relationships header, despite being a major scandal at the time. While it was not the cause for their divorce, Jennifer Garner has since acknowledged that the incident occurred and how it affected her children to no longer have their nanny. Goofusngallant (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Edit semi-protected

Change the article to include Affleck's relationship with his children's nanny, Christine Ouzounian, which occurred during his marriage to Garner. Goofusngallant (talk) 19:27, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Again, you need to be specific. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:14, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2020

change hyperlinks attached to references to Bernie from the hockey player Bernie Saunders to the politician Bernie Sanders, under Ben Affleck's political views. I assume Ben Affleck was talking about the politician, given the context of course 90.252.100.66 (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting the mistake, I've fixed it.Popeye191 (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Connection between Mr. Affleck and "Heinrich Boldt"

Mr. Affleck's ancestry contains the following sentence

".....Affleck's maternal great-great grandfather, Heinrich Boldt, who, aged 12, accidentally discovered the Curmsun Disc, emigrated from Prussia in the late 1840s.[376][377]...."

While it is totally correct and absolutely proven that Mr. Affleck's maternal great-great grandfather is a man who emigrated from Prussia to the US anytime before 1850 with the -at least partly- anglicized name, Henry Boldt, it is not proven at all, that this "Henry Boldt" is identical with the said-to-be "Henry Boldt / Heinrich Boldt" who "accidentally discovered the Curmsun Disc". --BorEliz20 (talk) 13:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid to say, but both sources cited for the statement in question above are quite far from being considered reliable when it comes to the circumstances about how the Curmsun Disc was discovered in the 1840s. For years already the story is told in -to some extent- frequently changing variations without providing any reliable, profound, original sources to prove it. --BorEliz20 (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe update the Curmsun Disc wikipedia page to make it consistent with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.218.110.117 (talk) 01:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I've just updated the English Curmsun Disc wikipedia page as follows:

...(actor Ben Affleck's said-to-be maternal great-great grandfather; for many years already profound evidence for this statement is missing)...

The referenced "Heinrich Bold" (Mr. Affleck's real maternal ancestor) was married to our direct ancestor/family member, Eliza Luttich, a family which I've been researching in significant detail for many years already. And despite all efforts Heinrich Bold's German/Prussian place of origin could not be determined so far.

And again whether "our" "Heinrich Bold" is identical with the "Heinrich Bold" -the said-to-be finder of the Curmsun disc- is not proven at all!BorEliz20 (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Meantime the said-to-be and profound evidence lacking connection between Mr. Affleck and "Heinrich Boldt" has been removed from the English Curmsun Disc wikipedia page.BorEliz20 (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

The deleted / removed sentence

".....Affleck's maternal great-great grandfather, Heinrich Boldt, who, aged 12, accidentally discovered the Curmsun Disc, emigrated from Prussia in the late 1840s.[376][377]...."

is back! And I really wonder why that is the case since the new provided source, a just published book titled "The Viking King's Golden Treasure" does NOT provide any profound evidence for this statement.BorEliz20 (talk) 12:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Given names of Mr. Affleck's mother

The section Early Life contains the following sentence:

....His mother, Christopher Anne "Chris" Boldt,[6] was a Harvard-educated elementary school teacher.....

The first given name of Mr. Affleck's mother is NOT: Christopher - that's a male given name only.

Instead her first given name is: Christine (shortened form: Chris)

Full name: Christine Anne Boldt Affleck

--BorEliz20 (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Incredulous as it sounds, the cited article here says her full name is, indeed, Christopher. Maybe her parents were Bohemian. Crboyer (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but her parents were neither Bohemians, nor is the content of the cited article correct. --BorEliz20 (talk) 10:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I said MAYBE Bohemian. And do you have an article that states her name being Christine?Crboyer (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Affleck as Batman in the intro

I am aware that in the intro it says he appeared in Batman v. Superman and Justice League but shouldn't we say that he's played the superhero Batman in the lead? Also shouldn't we also add the Snyder Cut into the lead since he did shot additional footage for the film and The Flash? His involvement in the Flash also goes unnoticed in the career section about his Batman role. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:04, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree that his role in the superhero movies should be mentioned; I've added Batman role to the lede. Personally, I don't think an additional scene in a director's cut merits inclusion in the lede but I added it to the most recent Career section. (Information about his potential role in The Flash is already in the most recent paragraph of the Career section.)Popeye191 (talk) 20:13, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Updated Image of Ben Affleck

Change the current image of Ben Affleck at SDCC 2017 to his latest appearance at The Tender Bar premiere in late 2021. I think it would be best to update the image as during that time he was suffering from alcoholism and divorce.

• https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/61b7b68055295c52cf01c963/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-1358673668.jpg
• https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/12/ben-affleck-tender-bar-premiere IvanN7 (talk) 13:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: We can't use copyrighted images. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Welp, seems like the SDCC event has the most recent non-copyrighted images so I surrender. IvanN7 (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Profile image

Is it possible someone could update Ben Affleck's profile image to a newer image that looks more like him now? Preferably from 2021 or 2022. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selfstyled.classics (talk • contribs) 13:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Batman lead change

Seeing how Affleck will appear as Batman in two other films next year wouldn't it be more appropriate to rewrite "...played the superhero Batman in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Justice League (2017)" to "...and has played the superhero Batman in the DC Extended Universe since 2016, first appearing in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice." TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2022

Mother’s name is Christine, not Christopher. I verified this by looking at Casey Affleck’s Early Life section. 2600:8807:545A:E700:4C1A:A088:6415:5B2A (talk) 01:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Casey's article appears to be incorrect. Cited sources there are this, which does not mention his mother's name, and an interview from 2014 which I can't access and verify. This page has 2 sources 1 and 2, both of which state her name as Christopher. Will correct Casey's page Cannolis (talk) 03:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2023

The title of United States Marine must be repectfully capitalized. Please change in the following sentence under the Humanitarian section; "As part of USO-sponsored tours, Affleck visited marines stationed in the Persian Gulf in 2003,[243]" to~...Affleck visited Marines... Penfan5 (talk) 20:35, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: per MOS:MARINE Lightoil (talk) 02:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2023

Change "splattering" to smattering. This is the correct word based on the context of the sentence. 108.17.116.208 (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024

Ben affleck is from Cambridge Massachusetts 2600:8802:3B07:5400:E527:2765:1159:16F4 (talk) 06:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Article clearly says he was born in Berkeley and moved to Cambridge sometime later. CRBoyer 06:24, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2024

change: "Affleck and Garner have three children together: daughters Violet Anne Affleck (born December 2005) and Seraphina Rose Elizabeth Affleck (born January 2009), and one son, Samuel Garner Affleck (born February 2012)."

to: "ffleck and Garner have three children together: daughter Violet Anne Affleck (born December 2005), Fin Affleck (born in 2009), who uses they/them pronouns, and one son, Samuel Garner Affleck (born in 2012).

source: https://www.hola.com/us/celebrities/20240409358480/ben-affleck-and-jennifer-garners-child-introduces-their-new-name/ Callitwhatuwant2 (talk) 11:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Slightly less roachy source: https://www.newsweek.com/ben-affleck-jennifer-garners-child-reveals-new-name-1889044

I would recommend simply including the child's new name, Fin Affleck, in the edit, as nothing has been confirmed re: pronouns. 142.114.116.116 (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: A bit of a mix of the original request and the IP's. Didn't talk about pronouns, omitted daughter and son for now, used source from the IP. Thanks both, --Ferien (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)