Talk:Bayside, Dublin

Corrections

Someone recently made three errors, which may have looked like vandalism but were probably not:

• two-storey (correct) was changed to two-story
• a picture of a key feature of the Bayside coastline, Kilbarrack Church and Graveyard was removed. This was accompanied by a reference to it being in Sutton Park, which is not correct - Sutton Park is a housing estate behind it, and anyway, as per main article, Sutton Park is part of Bayside, not a different area in its own right (and not part of Sutton, despite the name - Sutton begins, as it has for over five hundred years, no closer than the Baldoyle Road).
• the above action was commented in the text of the article!

All of the above are now fixed. 83.250.203.10 23:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Kilbarrack history, school

Gone southside but is there not a non-denominational school about in Bayside, worth a mention? And I think there is a book which has a lot to say about the old graveyard, albeit that is more of Kilbarrack's history. An AnCO project I think, back in the black 70's or 80's. And on the planning matter mentioned, perhaps a link? Or has a decision now been made? 195.16.40.133 23:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Bayside = Kilbarrack Lower. Hence Kilbarrack graveyard is in Bayside. Look at a pre-OSI map of the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.58.109 (talk) 18:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Improvements / updates

The article is not bad now but could use:

• 1-2 more photos - for example of the "Lamb Chop" park or the Community Garden, around the DART, some of the "green lanes"...
• a little more of the history - who developed, what the concept was, and of the Community initiatives
• maybe something about the excellent internal structure, with rare-in-Dublin lanes everywhere; it is one of the most walkable / least car-dependent later suburbs
• along with a little more on the old Kilbarrack graveyard, a mention of the milestone

What would also be useful, if any source referenced it, is the actual area - e.g. some coverage of the fact that Bayside is a bit of an inland island, which somehow never fully included the houses on the coast road, from the corner at Kilbarrack Road to the border with Baldoyle. The developer-driven confusion with Sutton (whether at Sutton Cross or at the Baldoyle Road) is well-known locally but similarly poorly documented. SeoR (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

The developer was a major UK outfit, later Tory Party donor, Wates Group, who had a whole Irish branch based at their first Irish build, in Clontarf, and a solicitor office in Dublin. They did a decent job, though the wood fronting on some of the houses did not age well. But for the time, they were all centrally-heated, with some kind of insulation. Does not sound like much but it was not standard then. Less well-built than the Farrelly houses in Raheny but better than some in Sutton. Of course they tried to sell as @Sutton@ but we all knew that was just messing, as much as the claim of sea swimming on the doorstep. But Dollyer and Sutton Strand were reachable by no-hassle bus trips. And as you say above, the houses on the seafront never "joined" but remained resolutely "Dublin Road", no district in particular - but the deeds still say Kilbarrack. One other thing that might be good for an encyclopaedia, the Wates people had three tiers of housing project - when we were buying, Bayside was "lower cost", Dundrum "mid-price" and Cabinteely (yes, what was that about?) "premium"! They had done other areas over the preceding 20 years too. Oh, and each type of house had a name. We had a Victorian or Virginian, the "top" class in Bayside. Later they also built maisonettes, not much known then in Ireland. Wates really weren't a bad shower, they made the "green lanes of Bayside", mini-parks, buried cables, and won a fight with the Government to allow a shared TV aerial instead of bits of metal on every house. They left Ireland in the 1980's, I believe. Thanks, 89.100.109.110 (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, will study this. I vaguely remember hearing of this company. SeoR (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)