Talk:Arthur Guinness/GA1

GA Review[edit]

Reviewer: Xx78900 (talk · contribs) 11:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
When it comes to the prose, I have several notes:
Under the Early life section, you first mention his father, then later name the father. I think it would be clearer if he was named at first mention.
Done.

For the image of the church at Celbridge, it's written in away that implies that Guinness was raised in the church building.
Picture changed to the Magennis coat of arms.

The first time you use the '£' icon, I think you should have IR£ included. Also I think it would be helpful to include modern equivalents of the sums for help in comprehension, though this isn't a GA requirement.
Added with a link. I could not find a reliable inflation calculator, however, considering the Irish pound has not existed for 20 years.

When you say that Brewing was in the family of most Irish people at the time, what do you mean by that? People home-brewing poitín or most people brewing large quantities of beer? Also this seems like an unusual area of the section to include that bit, I'd put it either closer to the description of his ancestry (first paragraph) or closer to where he starts brewing (final paragraph).
The source says We should understand that brewing at this time in Ireland was very much a cottage industry—almost literally. Housewives did it, estate managers did it, brewhouse owners did it and, of course, breweries did it, mostly along the winding waterways of Dublin. I've tried my best to clarify that sentence. As for the location, I've switched the last two paragraphs in the Early life section for proper flow, as what used to be the last sentence mentions "one of the places" where Arthur likely learned how to brew, so it does flow to then include the role of beer in everyday life.

Under the Guinness Brewery section, you say 4 acres site, where I think you mean 4 acre site.
The conversion template automatically does "acres" plural so I redid the sentence for the flow

"Was meant to terminate" would read better as "Was intended to terminate" imo, but again, what you have is fine for GA.
Changed

"he placed £100 down" -> "he made a downpayment of £100".
Changed

"the Corporation became angry" -> "the Corporation had become angry".
Changed

I would prefer the term "prominent figure" to "prominent party", but tbh that's just personal and whichever you prefer is grand.
Changed

In the Family section, I would change "socio-politically important relatives" to "socio-politically prominent relatives".
Done

You say that "Hosea... instead chose to enter the clergy", but without clarifying that as firstborn son he would've been expected to inherit the brewery.
Added/clarified

Arthur Guinness II is described as third son, when it seems that he is in fact the second son, but the third child.
You're right, good catch

You say that Guinness II's son is "also named Benjamin". I would say "named for his uncle Benjamin" or something, I think it would be clearer.
Changed

In the Politics and religion section, Dublin City Council is mentioned. Unless there existed another City Council in the past, this is almsot certainly supposed to read Dublin Corporation.
The source said City Council but that felt off to me. Changed to Corporation

The Kildare Knot is described as being "made of wealthy Protestants and Catholics". This should say "made up of" or "comprised of". Also, is there a reason to specify Protestants and Catholics, isntead of just people?
I believe the specification in the source was because most of these dining clubs were Protestant only. Changed to "people regardless of religion".

It says "he was opposed, however, to the Irish Rebellion of 1798". I think a one sentence descriptor of the goals of the Rebellion would be useful here.
Added.

Was it described as the "black Protestant porter", or just as "black Protestant porter"?
The full quote is "Guinness's black Protestant porter", but I removed "Guinness's" to reduce repetition. Changed to "his "black Protestant porter""

Governor of Meath Hospital or "the Meath Hospital"?
Source just said "Meath Hospital", so removed "the"

In the Later life and death section, the word "which" is misspelled as "whihch".
Fixed.

In the Legacy section, I would change "with" in the opening sentence to "having generated".
Done.

I think it is worth noting when the Guiness Storehouse was converted/opened, but whether or not it is included will not stop me passing the article.
Added the opening date, as I could not find conversion dates.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Photo in the infobox is missing a caption - A quick google search reveals it was made in 1759, so perhaps mention that as the caption.
Added.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Hi GhostRiver. I'm going to be reviewing this page. At first glance this seems like it'll pass pretty easily, the only thing I'm hesitant about from the outset is that the lede section seems to talk a lot about his early life, and I'm not sure if that's relevant there, as opposed to just a summary of his accomplishments. Anyway, I'll do a full review now and provide feedback below.

Okay just done. Great article! I had a few issues with the prose, but it was generally very well written, and very informative. I never knew Guinness was such a socially progressive man! You did well to focus on the man, without getting sidelined by the by the company. Let me know your thoughts on my comments about the prose, a lot of what I said was personal preference over something I'd insist on, so I'm likely going to be passing this imminently, I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

Xx78900 Thank you for the review! Putting together this article was both informative and entertaining, and a great improvement over the previous iteration of this article. I've responded to all comments above! — Ghost River 15:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A prompt and thorough response. I’ll pass this now. Great work! Xx78900 (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]