Talk:Andrés O'Donnell

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Explain Irish-Peruvian[edit]

@Arawoke: Please explain the term "Irish-Peruvian" in the lead. The subject of this article is born in Peru, yet bears both a Peruvian first name and an Irish last name as well as having both nationalities shown in the infobox. However, article does not explain this heritage how he came by this curious heritage and skips over it without explaining the source of this information. It even suggesting it does not exist by the wording of the first sentence of the first body section. This is extra information in the lead of the article that is not explained in the body of the article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC) edited 23:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply and pointing this out. I have added a section regarding O'Donnell's early life with this information. However, I only have those two pages sourced from the journal that cover his ancestry. There are other references to O'Donnell's Irish name, however a decent portion of it is based on opinion.

There are other remarks with this sentiment, but I was / am doubtful on rather to include them or not.

"Then on to Entre Rios to 'O'Donnell's Country.' To think that a name so great should be dragged so low! That an Irish name of valour, truth, courage and high-mindedness should be borne by a Peruvian bandit, whose aim is to persecute these wretched Indians, his "fellow citizens," to rob them of all they possess, in order to make money from their blood. The only cheering thing is that Andrés O'Donnell has the best name of the lot - and the least scoundrelly record." - Roger Casement, 1910 AJRC P196.

Another important remark that I'm unsure of inclusion: "I only said 'more power to the Indians,' but as he is not an Irishman, in spite of his name, he did not follow." Roger Casement - "Casement here makes his first proper connection between the plight of the Indians and the plight of the Irish, whom he clearly considered to be an oppressed tribal people." Angus Mitchell.

I'll have to find the page but in this journal Casement has elaborated upon his view of the Irishman, and since O'Donnell can not identify with the people he is oppressing "he is not an Irishman" according to Casement. This may be irrelevant to O'Donnell's biography however this information is likely relevant to Roger Casement's article. I wish I could elaborate further on this thought, after I find the page I may do so.

Edit, the term Irish-Peruvian is used in the Journal footnotes when referring to Carlos Fitzcarrald and Andrés O’Donnell. Arawoke (talk) 13:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]