Talk:Ana de Armas

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MOS:ETHNICITY

It looks like de Armas has dual citizenship with Spain and Cuba. She was born in Cuba and started her career there, so arguably the best way to describe her in the lede is simply as "a Cuban actress". However, she is a dual citizen, and also worked early in her acting career in Spain. Thus, arguably, the lede (and {{Short description}}) could/should say "is a Cuban and Spanish actress".

What the lede absolutely should not say is either "Spanish-Cuban actress", or "Cuban actress of Spanish descent", as per MOS:ETHNICITY.

The only options here are "Cuban actress" and "Cuban and Spanish actress". So editors need to come to a consensus on this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Reading the article I see one notable role with a Cuban connection, the rest are Spanish. She could be described solely as a Spanish actress based on where she did most of her notable work. Describing her as just a Cuban actress is not appropriate. Cuban and Spanish actress, or Spanish and Cuban actress, which mean exactly the same thing, would work for this article though based both on her citizenship and where notable activities occurred and where she started acting. Spanish-Cuban and Cuban-Spanish are ethnicity descriptors and don't mean the same thing, although both are accurate for this subject, they don't belong in the intro sentence. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Describing her solely as a Spanish actress is definitely insufficient, as she was born in Cuba and IS Cuban. She had Spanish citizenship from her grandparents, I believe, and did do a lot of her early work in Spain, so I would think "a Cuban and Spanish" actress is fine (I would actually think just "a Cuban actress" is sufficient and preferable to me, but not enough to argue if there are other strong opinions). Rcarter555 (talk) 20:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, I'm fine with "Cuban and Spanish actress" as the solution – it's probably the most accurate result. But it looks like this has never been stable at this article – for quite a while it was "Spanish-Cuban" (which is not correct, no matter how you slice it). Before that (e.g. c. 2018), it was just "Cuban actress". Bottom line: The only correct options here are "Cuban actress" or "Cuban and Spanish actress" – it has to be one or the other. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how "Spanish-Cuban actress" directly goes against the MOS? Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 02:54, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

It is an ethnicity descriptor meaning Cuban with some amount of Spanish ancestry. While true it is not a nationality description which is what goes in the intro. Also she is Cuban-Spanish - A Spaniard of some amount of Cuban ancestry but that is also an ethnicity. Spanish and Cuban gives both nationalities equal weight and is appropriate for someone with dual nationality and notable activities in both countries. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. [emphasis mine] Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. "Spanish-Cuban actress" is an ethnicity. The second sentence is what is relevant in this case – nationalities not ethnicities are relevant here. Therefore, the correct construction is "Cuban and Spanish actress", not "Spanish-Cuban actress". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:20, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I think I get it now. I'm only asking because, aside from having a hard time distinguishing between the examples given above, there are some articles that have two nationalities in one such as the "Cuban-Spanish" one. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 20:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, lots of articles have that. And they're wrong. It should always be in the form of, say, "Cuban and Spanish" when nationalities are involved. For some examples of it done right, there's Kristine Froseth, Gabrielle Anwar and Hayley Atwell. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Based on the above discussion, most comments seem OK with "Cuban and Spanish actress". There should be enough reasoning to support reversing the inevitable replacement of the " and " dual nationality description with the "-" ethnicity tag. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll change it myself, though I'd like to leave it for a few days to make sure there's no further comments... OK, I see that it's already been done. When reverting back to this format in the future, it would be good if editors referred to this Talk page (discussion) when reverting. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps include a hidden note? Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 18:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Added the hidden note. Some people don't check discussions before making contentious changes and some get insistent. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:28, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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Additions to Personal Life Section

Relative to the rest of the article, the section on personal life could include more detail besides her dating life. Given that de Armas has likely been in several interviews and talk shows, extra information about her could be added to the article. It would also provide an opportunity to quote her directly. KyleSWong (talk) 03:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Citizenship

Just announced on the April 15, 2023 episode of Saturday Night Live: de Armas will receive U.S. citizenship c. May 1, 2023. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

An SNL episode is a bit hard to use as a reference even with the required time stamp and it talks about plans. Hopefully something will be written about it in a reliable source after it happens so we have a source that can be more easily verified. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

It's been over a month since she claimed this, is there any updates as to her citizenship status? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)