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Possible copyvios

I reverted the page to before the last edit made by 203.94.94.156 on 26th June 05, thus losing some other input which I'll try to recover. Much of the additions made by the above user seems to have been lifted verbatim from parts of two websites http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/sri-pada.htm and http://sripada.org/ . The former content has been online since at least 2004. Imc 21:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The name

Is Sri Pada a Sinhala name or is it Pali / Sanskrit?

From encyclopaedia.com - Sinhala names are Sri Padastanaya and Samanaliya .

Imc 19:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Propose rename

Propose rename the article to Sri Pada.

The majority of the google hits admittedly are to Adam's Peak. But this is based largely on old sources, and old English usage, such as the 1911 Brittanica. For formal modern usage, see the two main descriptive websites http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/sri-pada.htm and http://sripada.org/ . Imc 19:36, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Hyperlink

The hyperlink to the god Saman is not associated with the right entity.

Islamic Pilgrimage ?

I've never heard of this place being a pilgrimage site for Muslims. Is there a reliable reference for this claim ? MP (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

See [1], [2], [3], [4], Kataragama. I found more re Kataragama than Sri Pada. However, there does seem to be ample evidence that Sri Lankan Muslims share the reverence for the peak and probably join the pilgrimages up the mountain.
Strange, I just found out about Kataragama the other day, while looking for material on Al Khidr. Zora 00:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, here's a map of Kataragama, showing the mosque as part of a multi-religious complex -- [5]. Zora 00:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The Adam's Peak is indeed an important place of pilgrimage for Muslims (as well as for Hindus, Bussists and some Christians). On your query please see the Mislum myths, Modern Muslim traditions concerning Adam's footprint, and Muslim cult by the footprint in the book "The Sacred Footprint" A Cultural History of Adam's Peak by Markus Aksland, 2001, pp. 118-140, ISBN 974-8304-65-5ERASWK (talk) 07:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC) ERASWK

Legends and beliefs

Sri Pada is the only mountain in the world receiving the veneration of devotees belonging to four major religions Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Christianity.

Buddhism: According to one legend the Buddha is believed to have left the print of his left foot on Adam’s Peak, and then, in one stride crossed to Siam, (now Thailand) where he left the impression of his right foot. The Thai version is called Phra Sat, and its appearance is supposed to be like that of the foot print on Adam’s Peak and it is of similar size. Other, similar footprints were found in Laos (Pha Baat Phonsan), Cambodge (Phnom Santuk) and China (Wu-Tai Shan). Buddhists attribute this universal size (such is the belief) to the fact that the Buddha was about thirty- five feet tall. The real footprint on Adam’s Peak is believed to be set in jewels beneath the visible rock.

Islam: Muslims record it as being the solitary footprint of Adam where he stood for a thousand years of penance on one foot. One Islamic story tells that when Adam was expelled from heaven, God put him on the peak to make the shock less terrible – Ceylon being that place on earth closest to and most like heaven. In view of this their belief that atop the mountain lies the sepulchre of Adam they call the mountain ‘Adam-malai’ (Mount of Adam).

Christian view: the Portuguese, who came to Sri Lanka in 1505, called the mountain Pico de Adam (anglicised Adam’s Peak). They held the belief that St. Thomas the Doubter, came to India and Sri Lanka, baptised Gondophorus, the Indo-Parthian king, and after leaving his footmark on the mountain, ascended to Heaven.

The Hindus believe that the footmark is that of Lord Shiva, the third godhead of the Hindu Holy Triad. The God is supposed to have settled on the summit to shed his divine light upon mankind. Hence they call the mountain ‘Sivanolipadam’ (Foot of Shiva’s Light). The votaries of Shiva ascend the mountain beseeching divine help and providence to be born in the celestial abode (i.e. Mt. Kailas in Tibet). To note here, that there exists a view of a deeper connection between Adam’s Peak and Mt. Kailas, e.g. located on the same geo- graphical axis, having similar pyramidal shape, Adam’s Peak is sometimes considered as a natural and also spiritual “replica” of the Mt. Kailas, one of the holiest and the most enigmatic places on our planet

Whatever the belief, everybody who reaches the peak pays special tribute to the sun, and there is a ceremony at sunrise, which in itself justifies the difficult climb. Everybody reaching the top stands facing east with their hands held together in an attitude of adoration awaiting the emergence of the sun. They watch intently the changing colours of the sky prior to sunrise and just as the tip of the sun appears everybody cries out «Sadhu, sadhu, sa!» in a manner reminiscent of sun worship. And while a heavy bell is loudly rung a shade of pyramidal form appears near the mountain and stays for some instants. The shade has the dimensions of a perfect triangular pyramid even though the slopes of the peak are not so regular. This is perhaps an optical illusion, but it definitely adds to the mysticism that surrounds the mountain.

From ancient times until today Adam’s Peak has attained a legendary status as destination of a mystic pilgrimage. The pilgrimage season begins annually on the ‘Unduvap’ full moon day in December and ends on the ‘Vesak’ full moon day end April or May. During this open season pilgrims climb the mountain to pay homage to the sacred footmark. Votive offerings are made here, especially of a coil of silver as long as the donor is tall, for recovery from sickness; moreover, rainwater taken from the footprint is believed to have wonderful healing power.

I suggest adding or replacing the section "Legend" of the article by the text above, and/or to add the last para - on pilgrimage - to the section "The Sacred Mountain" ERASWK (talk) 08:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Sri Pada the moutain where the first Space Elevator is built in Arthur C. Clarke's Fountain of Paradise?41.83.12.220 (talk) 10:20, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Page Heading

More than 95% of pilgrimages called this place as Sri Pada. and more than 95% of pilgrimages are Buddhists. Because of that my suggestion is, this article heading should be Sri Pada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdhdineshkumara (talk • contribs) 09:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME - "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." --NeilN talk to me 10:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2015

change the name of this place everywhere it is visible to "Sri Pada", from Adam's peak. you can refer in brackets as 'adam's peak' but the place was named originally as the "Sri Pada", then the British who invaded sri lanka started calling it adam's peak etc. 123.231.123.151 (talk) 09:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

 Not done as WP:COMMONNAME - "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." - Arjayay (talk) 10:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

if you search on Google Adam peak its result About 62,400,000 results (0.39 seconds) and if you search Sri Pada About 2,250,000 results (0.42 seconds)

and Adam is first human in this world and father of whole nation but Buddha have father its name King Śuddhodana how to possible human create a God Buddha

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

Pcpasindu (talk) 12:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Kharkiv07Talk 13:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2015

Thanuran Thanu (talk) 05:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jamietw (talk) 05:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. This has been speedy closed due to it being a malformed nomination with the proposed target being in a different namespace. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:00, 19 December 2015 (UTC) The Bushranger One ping only 01:00, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Adam's Peak → Sri Pada – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this. Channasandeepanaperera (talk) 06:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Oppose for the same reason. When this editor changed the names in their first edits I also checked Google Scholar with similar results. Doug Weller (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Footprint

There seems to be some folklore regarding a footprint at the top of this peak. Is there any chance that someone could obtain a photograph of it for the article? SCmurky 09:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Name of the article

I find that "Adam's Peak" (62,700 Google hits and called the same thing in EB) is far more common than "Sri Pada" (30,600 Google hits). Shouldn't this article be called "Adam's Peak"? --vi5in[talk] 17:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Going over the history, I find that this article was originally named Adam's Peak before being moved. --vi5in[talk] 17:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

"Sri Pada" isn't the name of the mountain, just of the "footprint" at the top. The Tamil name of the mountain is Sivanolipatha Malai, the Sinhalese one "Samanalakanda". We should go for the English name already to avoid having to decide between the Sinhalese and the Tamil one. --dab (𒁳) 16:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

the article was moved by copy-paste in December 2005. Hence, part of the edit history is found at Samanalakanda now. --dab (𒁳) 17:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed the copy-paste move, so all the edit history is now in one place. Graham87 10:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

What do the locals of that nation call it? Isn't that normally the name to go by? Sparks of not just a little cultural imperialism to try to hijack the name. Doesn't mean Adam's Peak can't be included as part of history. 96.31.177.52 (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

No, look below where this is discussed. We use the name most commonly used in English language reliable sources. That's because we are the English language Wikipedia. Dougweller (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Sri Pada → Adam's Peak – back to the former title per WP:USEENGLISH and WP:COMMONNAME. Adam's Peak is the most common English name, with 425,000 google results versus 186,000 for "Sri Pada". In addition, almost all English guide books use the name Adam's Peak. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 12:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC). Zanhe (talk) 08:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Support per nom and comments in the previous section about what Sri Pada specifically refers to. —  AjaxSmack  01:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose As my knowledge the name Sri pada is the most commonly used name. --PHEONIXTER 11:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
  • I have no doubt that Sri Pada is the more common name in Sri Lanka. But as shown above, in the wolrdwide English-speaking community, Adam's Peak is more common. -Zanhe (talk) 08:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Support – Adam's Peak seems to be at least 5X more common in books, even if you constrain the search with terms like "footprint". Dicklyon (talk) 22:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:
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Sessional shadow motion

Sessional Shadow motion of Adam's peak by Eco Astronomy sri Lanka--->link Data--->EASL_http://ecoastronomysrilanka.dsdweb.info/index.php/2013-08-16-06-04-50 http://ecoastronomysrilanka.dsdweb.info/index.php/2013-08-16-06-04-50

File:Sessional Shadow motion of Adam's Peak
Ultimate Sri Lanka -EASL Research

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.172.46 (talk) 20:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2016

Swap the name "Adam's Peek" To "Sri Pada" because this is in Sri Lanka but not in English speaking country. Use "Adam's peek" as (also known as "Adam's peek").

Thamalke (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: This is, however, the English language Wikipedia and WP:COMMONNAME dictates that we should use the name most commonly used by reliable sources in that language. Favonian (talk) 14:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello Google

This location which is named as " Adams Peak " has to be changed to " Sri Padhaya ". Because it is wrong to be called " Sri Padhaya " as " Adams Peak. " " Adams Peak " is a term used by British during the colonial era to identify " Sri Padhaya " for their simplicity. So we request Google to correct this mistake otherwise it would be a false teaching for the next generations as well. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.39.189 (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

 Not done - This isn't Google - Arjayay (talk) 15:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2016

Change the main name of this mountain to Sri Padaya and add adams peak as a other name. Sri padaya is located on Sri lanka so its need a sinhala name and as well as the real name of this mountain is Sri padaya. So please change it. Kushenthimira (talk) 17:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I'm been doing 17:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 Not done and won't be done - as repeatedly explained above/in the archives WP:COMMONNAME dictates that we use the name most commonly used by reliable sources in English. - Arjayay (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Buddhisme value of Sri Pada

Buddha has been visited Sri Pada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.39.34.19 (talk) 14:17, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

The article already states that this is in "the Deepawamsa, the earliest Pali chronicle, (4th century), and also in the 5th century chronicle Mahawamsa, where it is stated that the Buddha visited the mountain peak." - Arjayay (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016

The title should be changed to "Sri Pada" it is not Adams Peak. Adams peak is one of the other names used to call "Sri Pada". Earlier this error was shown in google maps too. Now the google maps has corrected the name of this mountain to "Sri Pada" from "Adams Peak". The title should be changed to "Sri Pada" and for other names list "Adams Peak" should be added. Please check the of the Sri Pada.

[1] Sankalpau3 (talk) 02:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

 Not done-This is, however, the English language Wikipedia and WP:COMMONNAME dictates that we should use the name most commonly used by reliable sources in that language.Aru@baska❯❯❯ Vanguard 11:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.google.lk/maps/place/Sri+Pada+(Adam's+Peak)/@6.8059294,80.4824983,14.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x3ae3977589234b59:0x8723ad471d5b37dc!8m2!3d6.80964!4d80.4993904?hl=en

Christian do not make any claim

I am not aware of any Christians who make any claim to this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeusImperator (talk • contribs) 04:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@DeusImperator:, assuming you're referring to the unindigenous name, it's not really a question of it being claimed by one party or another. Rather, it's what, in the current geo-political climate (etc etc!), the vast majority of reliable sources refer to the mountain as. Hope this clarifies things! Take care, — fortunavelut luna 09:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Specifically I mean the following "Christian tradition that of Adam, or that of St. Thomas" there is no such claim. DeusImperator (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2017

In Islam, Adam is stated to be 60 cubits tall, which means he is supposed to have been 90 feet tall. 31.55.0.253 (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Title should be changed

The tile of this page should be changed As "Sri Pada",Since this mountain locate in Sri Lanka.Google Maps did the same and changed the name to Sri Pada.Name " Adams Peak " was just an alternative name used by early British Governors due to difficulty of pronouncing the local language. - kaweendra (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Salithak1: Have you read the comments above? This is the common name in English language sources, and thus meets our guidelines for naming. Doug Weller talk 16:14, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

born and bred in Sri Lanka, closer to Kandyan kingdom. I never heard Sri Pada was called by different name. Sri Pad is a sacred place to Sri Lankans, majority Sri Lankans speaks Sinhalese. This is Sri Lankan Buddhist sacred location in Sri Lanka, it's not fair to name this after English due to it was being a colony of Britain. I suggest it is time to correct this article name to "Sri Pada" by its own name. my understanding is that this is kind of ethnic cleansing that you are renaming locations ignoring a majority of ethnic groups living and worshipping these places more than 1000 years. please don't get me wrong, this is written in good faith and due to facts that based on my understanding and family background. Eeriyaka (talk) 08:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Waller - please discuss this matter here, where its necessary. my talk page is not a suitable place to discuss it.

EX:- The highest mountain in Sri Lanka is Pidurutalagala, we(sri lankans) don't call it by Mount Pedro in English or ultra prominent peak. because of the majority of Sri Lankans named it as Piduruthalagala. same as "Sri Pada", it has more than 2500 years written documentation that it's called by "Sri Pada" or "Samanalakanda". cheers Eeriyaka (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I was mainly on your talk page to express my dismay that you are suggesting that Wikipedia editors are ethnically cleansing articles. If you can show that the most common name for this in English language (because we are the English language Wikipedia) reliable sources as defined at WP:VERIFY and WP:RS is "Sri Pada" please demonstrate this. Then it will be changed. Doug Weller talk 11:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not place to express your feelings. I never mentioned that wikipedia editors are ethnically cleansing articles. you are making this up. this article is named incorrectly because no one has given reliable sources.

for that other point "that the most common name for this in English language", you cannot convert everything to English words, these are locations in one of the non-English speaking country. there are millions of place names have its own local names. an example that this mountain is located in Ratnapura District and Nuwara Eliya district of the Sabaragamuwa Province. so "Ratnapura", "Nuwara Eliya" and "Sabarahamuwa" are local names. do you suggest these to change to English words? I will provide reliable sources soon. Eeriyaka (talk) 23:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

We have been through this several times before, please read the archives, which include search statistics showing Adams Peak is clearly the most common title in English.
The Wikipedia rule is WP:COMMONNAME which is that we use "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." (my bold} This over-rides both the "official" name and the local name, it is just an specific application of WP:COMMONALITY.
There have been previous attempts to try and claim that this is racist and/or imperialist, but this is applied across the board:- we use Vienna not Wien, Rome not Roma, The Hague not Den Haag or 's-Gravenhage, Venice not Venezia and numerous other English titles.
Over time, some of our article titles have changed, as the common name in English evolves - in May 2001 our Mumbai article was a redirect to our Bombay article, although the title had officially changed in 1995 - in 2001 the common name in English was still Bombay. Conversely, we still use Bangalore, not Bengaluru. There is nothing you can do, but wait to see if the common name in English changes. - Arjayay (talk) 10:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with what you have mentioned. its clear to me now why this article is name as "Adam's peak". based on archived information, this was reviewed in 2005 and 2015 if am not wrong. article name is ruled out by WP:COMMONNAME based on google statistics and common English name. but as you have mentioned at the end, based Wikipedia:Five pillars (1,2 & 5) use of title name is evolved now. as matter of fact google statistics have changed.

Google statistics: google australia

Adams peak - About 709,000 results (0.56 seconds) Sri Pada - About 1,210,000 results (0.50 seconds) Samanalakanda - About 64,900 results (0.40 seconds)

google Sri Lanka Adams peak - About 773,000 results (0.67 seconds) Sri Pada - about 1,210,000 results (0.37 seconds) Samanalakanda - About About 64,800 results (0.35 seconds)

therefore, its clear indicates now commonname for this mountain has changed over the time in google statistics. and common english name has become "Sri pada" or "Samanalakanda".

news articles from major news papers: http://www.sundaytimes.lk/120311/News/nws_20.html http://dailynews.lk/2017/10/03/features/130060/reaching-sacred-peak

there are many news references i can find but i think google analysitcs will rule out here that commonality of this page has evolved from Adam's peak to "Sri Pada". therefore i suggest its time to review this page and rename it from "Adam's peak" to "Sri Pada". Eeriyaka (talk) 10:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2017

This location which is named as " Adams Peak " has to be changed to " Sri Padaya ". Because it is wrong to be called " Sri Padaya " as " Adams Peak. " " Adams Peak " is a term used by British during the colonial era to identify " Sri Padaya " for their simplicity. Parakramasenanayaka (talk) 00:48, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Please see above section. NeilN talk to me 00:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Title should be changed

The tile of this page should be changed As "Sri Pada",Since this mountain locate in Sri Lanka.Google Maps did the same and changed the name to Sri Pada.Name " Adams Peak " was just an alternative name used by early British Governors due to difficulty of pronouncing the local language. - kaweendra (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Salithak1: Have you read the comments above? This is the common name in English language sources, and thus meets our guidelines for naming. Doug Weller talk 16:14, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

born and bred in Sri Lanka, closer to Kandyan kingdom. I never heard Sri Pada was called by different name. Sri Pad is a sacred place to Sri Lankans, majority Sri Lankans speaks Sinhalese. This is Sri Lankan Buddhist sacred location in Sri Lanka, it's not fair to name this after English due to it was being a colony of Britain. I suggest it is time to correct this article name to "Sri Pada" by its own name. my understanding is that this is kind of ethnic cleansing that you are renaming locations ignoring a majority of ethnic groups living and worshipping these places more than 1000 years. please don't get me wrong, this is written in good faith and due to facts that based on my understanding and family background. Eeriyaka (talk) 08:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Waller - please discuss this matter here, where its necessary. my talk page is not a suitable place to discuss it.

EX:- The highest mountain in Sri Lanka is Pidurutalagala, we(sri lankans) don't call it by Mount Pedro in English or ultra prominent peak. because of the majority of Sri Lankans named it as Piduruthalagala. same as "Sri Pada", it has more than 2500 years written documentation that it's called by "Sri Pada" or "Samanalakanda". cheers Eeriyaka (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I was mainly on your talk page to express my dismay that you are suggesting that Wikipedia editors are ethnically cleansing articles. If you can show that the most common name for this in English language (because we are the English language Wikipedia) reliable sources as defined at WP:VERIFY and WP:RS is "Sri Pada" please demonstrate this. Then it will be changed. Doug Weller talk 11:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not place to express your feelings. I never mentioned that wikipedia editors are ethnically cleansing articles. you are making this up. this article is named incorrectly because no one has given reliable sources.

for that other point "that the most common name for this in English language", you cannot convert everything to English words, these are locations in one of the non-English speaking country. there are millions of place names have its own local names. an example that this mountain is located in Ratnapura District and Nuwara Eliya district of the Sabaragamuwa Province. so "Ratnapura", "Nuwara Eliya" and "Sabarahamuwa" are local names. do you suggest these to change to English words? I will provide reliable sources soon. Eeriyaka (talk) 23:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

We have been through this several times before, please read the archives, which include search statistics showing Adams Peak is clearly the most common title in English.
The Wikipedia rule is WP:COMMONNAME which is that we use "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." (my bold} This over-rides both the "official" name and the local name, it is just an specific application of WP:COMMONALITY.
There have been previous attempts to try and claim that this is racist and/or imperialist, but this is applied across the board:- we use Vienna not Wien, Rome not Roma, The Hague not Den Haag or 's-Gravenhage, Venice not Venezia and numerous other English titles.
Over time, some of our article titles have changed, as the common name in English evolves - in May 2001 our Mumbai article was a redirect to our Bombay article, although the title had officially changed in 1995 - in 2001 the common name in English was still Bombay. Conversely, we still use Bangalore, not Bengaluru. There is nothing you can do, but wait to see if the common name in English changes. - Arjayay (talk) 10:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with what you have mentioned. its clear to me now why this article is name as "Adam's peak". based on archived information, this was reviewed in 2005 and 2015 if am not wrong. article name is ruled out by WP:COMMONNAME based on google statistics and common English name. but as you have mentioned at the end, based Wikipedia:Five pillars (1,2 & 5) use of title name is evolved now. as matter of fact google statistics have changed.

Google statistics: google australia

Adams peak - About 709,000 results (0.56 seconds) Sri Pada - About 1,210,000 results (0.50 seconds) Samanalakanda - About 64,900 results (0.40 seconds)

google Sri Lanka Adams peak - About 773,000 results (0.67 seconds) Sri Pada - about 1,210,000 results (0.37 seconds) Samanalakanda - About About 64,800 results (0.35 seconds)

therefore, its clear indicates now commonname for this mountain has changed over the time in google statistics. and common english name has become "Sri pada" or "Samanalakanda".

news articles from major news papers: http://www.sundaytimes.lk/120311/News/nws_20.html http://dailynews.lk/2017/10/03/features/130060/reaching-sacred-peak

there are many news references i can find but i think google analysitcs will rule out here that commonality of this page has evolved from Adam's peak to "Sri Pada". therefore i suggest its time to review this page and rename it from "Adam's peak" to "Sri Pada". Eeriyaka (talk) 10:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

It has to be sources meeting WP:RS. Even in Google Books and Google Scholar many of them don't match our criteria. But ignoring that, a search of them will show very different figures. And of course a number of sources give more than one name. By the way your first link to a newspaper mentions Adams Peak 7 times, Sri Pada 4 times. Your second link is to the Daily News. Looks like you didn't search very far. Adam’s Peak: the mountain of the Sacred Foot, which I see says that "It was in or around the 9th century that Samantha Kutha became associated with the first spot on earth where Adams set foot when he was driven out of paradise. The Muslims who consider Adams as their forefather, popularized the term Adams Peak around this time. The term was used for the very first time by Sulaiman, an Arab trader and explorer who visited Sri Lanka in 850 AD." Nothing to do with the British. There are a lot more articles in that newspaper that use the term "Adam's Peak", often as "Adam's Peak (Sri Pada) which is more or less what we do.[6] (about a project by a Sri Lankan bank which calls it Adam's Peak). Doug Weller talk —Preceding undated comment added 12:27, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) - Hi Eeriyaka
We do not rely solely on Google matches, and Google results can vary dependent on where the search is carried out. Moreover, they totally depend on how the search term is entered.
Your search for Sri Pada appears to be this one a search for articles including both Sri and Pada, whether or not the terms are connected, which gives 1,150,000 matches when searched for from England. However, a search for "Sri Pada" i.e. only for articles including the specific term, not just the two words somewhere in an article, gives 266,000 matches as seen here
This compares with 823,000 for Adams and Peak as separate terms, as here or 403,000 for "Adam's Peak" as a specific term as here (these numbers can vary slightly if searches are repeated)
However, as 403,000 is considerably bigger than 266,000, Google matches (which are not the only consideration) support Adam's Peak. - Arjayay (talk) 12:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I do not support the suggested change (retain current title Adam's Peak, as per WP:COMMONNAME. Dan arndt (talk) 01:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose rename. I share Dan's view that Adam's Peak is the most popular term compared to Sri Pada. Furthermore, Pidurutalagala is not renamed, because Mount Pedro happens to be the less popular term. I tried moving that article almost 9 years ago, and it got rightfully reverted :-) Kind regards, Rehman 03:58, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi User:Arjayay Thank you for your constructive reply. in 2005/2015 (not sure exact date) the article name was ruled out based on google analytics/statistics as per WP:COMMONNAME and I understand that also something to do with "Adam" considered as a common English name.

Hi User:Doug Weller Thanks, you pointed that the Article is based on Adam the first man cast out from paradise where he printed his foot on Samanthakuta (aka adam's peak), now Adam in Islam, Adam in Christians and Adam in Hebrew Bible, nowhere you will find any reference to prove this point. That news article above is based on someone's personal research. as I know Wikipedia doesn't publish any original research (WP:NOR). nevertheless, wiki adam doesn't have any reference to claim that the Adam in Islam printed a foot on this mountain. isn't that Mecca and he settled in Jerusalem? so these facts are not verifiable (WP:V)

and article name is completely biased to religious views without verifiable resources. against (WP:NPOV).

now only remaining aspect is that the name of the Adam is sounded English? Eeriyaka (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I did not point out anything except that a newspaper that you used as a source has many articles using the term "Adam's Peak" and noting what one of them said. We rely a lot on reliably published original research, we simply can't do it ourselves. The fact that another article doesn't mention this mountain is irrelevant. Everything you are questioning seems to have citations but I'm sure more could be found. Again, article names are based on WP:COMMONNAME and it's been shown to you that it meets that. The fact that neither the Torah or the Bible mentions this is completely irrelevant. Doug Weller talk 17:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Here are a couple of Muslim sources calling it Adam's Peak and explaining the history.[7][8] I'm not going to use them right now as there should be better ones, these are just religious examples - I'm not sure what you mean about NPOV and religious views, by the way. Doug Weller talk 19:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi User:Doug Weller Both of these sources are biased to Islam religion and self-styled written articles by Sri Lankan based Islamic organisation(s).[9],[10] Therefore it can't verify (WP:V). These are not a good example to support NPOV.

There is no reference in quran or prophet muhammad which hasn't made any references to Adam's peak in Sri Lanka. Therefore the name of the Article "Adam's" is misleading as its importance to Islam religion without verifiable resources.

I suggest this article should follow Wikipedia NPOV guidelines and should be renamed to "Sri Pada" which is unbiased to any religions point of view.

The meaning of "Sri Pada" is, "Sri" means an honored adjective like "Sir" : 

  examples  1. Sri Lanka 
            2. Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte - capital of Sri Lanka, 
            3. [[Jaya Sri Maha Bodhi] - one of the sacred place in Sri Lanka.
The Sanskrit word "pada" means peda(Latin), Pied (french), Enlish (Pedestrian), find below reference to it.

Bullis, Douglas. Mahavamsa: The Great Chronicle of Sri Lanka (1st ed.). Fremont, California: Jain publishing company. p. 51. ISBN 0-8958-1906-6.

hence, "Sri Pada" has no religious meaning like "Adam's".

@ErIYakA 10:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Having climbed Adam’s Peak recently I can attest that all the official English language signs in the area clearly state ‘Adam’s Peak’ not Sri Pada. Dan arndt (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

yep, The first word is "Sri Pada" in Sinhalese the language spoken by majority Sri Lankans. and yes Sri Lankans respects and recognised other minority languages, all signs written in Sinhalese, Tamil, and English. yep, it's not like in Australia! we respect native Sinhalese and Tamils. The point is why does it matter to you? why do you want Islam reference into this location? @ErIYakA 10:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeriyaka (talk • contribs)

  • The point is this is the English Wikipedia and therefore the name obviously reflects the English terminology/phrasing not the Sinhalese. As I’ve pointed out all the English signs in the area identify the mountain as Adams Peak not Sri Pada. The Sinhalese signs state the Sinhalese name ශ්‍රී පාදය, which is appropriate for the Sinhalese Wikipedia. Dan arndt (talk) 03:24, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
User:Eeriyaka is wrong about the meaning of "Sri Pada". It does not mean "Sir pedestrian" or "Sir foot". Sri also means holy, and Pada foot - so it's "holy foot" or in the context "holy footprint" and clearly a religious name. Doug Weller talk 08:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Doug Weller I am not connected with this article. I simply discussed based on references I found. it's in the reference written by Douglas Bullis.
Adam's peak sounded English but it has reference to Islam religion. There is no Islam reference to this place in the noble Quran. and there is no valid reference to prove that its called by Adam's peak in the area is located. below reference is on the Unesco website, the Article name has the English name as "Sri Pada" which is the common name of the location. calling it Adam's peak will provide false meaning. Unesco

@ErIYakA 12:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eeriyaka (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2017

Adam's peak is not relevant to this mountain which sited in Sri Lanka. There's no evidence that, Adam or Eva was related to that land. So using Adam's peak as the name is contradictory. Name should be maintain as 'Sri Padaya' which is more relevant to the mountain. Its written in Buddhist scripts that the lord Buddha visited 3 times to Sri Lanka. During his 2nd visit, he went to this mountain and rested. To make his visit symbolized, he kept his foot mark on a blue sapphire stone. Which is currently placed on the top of the mountain. S o with those information, it's better to be called as Sri Pada mountain' instead Adam's peak. MikeDave202 (talk) 06:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

"Would you Adam and eve it?"! No, sorry, per what english reliable sources dictate, the picture up there, and the myriad discussions over the same thing that exist on this page and in the archive that illustrate that a) there are loads of complaints from Si Lankan editors over the name of this mountain, and that b) because the reliable sources are not changing their minds, neither are we. Cheers, >SerialNumber54129...speculates 06:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Sri padaya means the sacred footprint of lord buddha not the holy footprint. It's a sinhalese buddhist site and not related to any other religion. When making these articles you should take them from natives. Some forigners visit sri lanka several times and make these articles like they know it better than natives. Should be corrected. Im a sri lankan and a buddisht Ravinath Rathnayake (talk) 14:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

This request has been answered. Sacred means the same thing as holy. Our articles are based on what reliable sources say about a subject, and they can come from any country. I note that you seem to be saying that it is a holy site only for Buddhists, but that's incorrect. Doug Weller talk 15:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Concur with Doug Weller, this debate has been plagued with single edit editors and sock puppets trying to argue that this is an issue about religion. Clearly at this point in time Adam’s Peak is the most well known name for the mountain. It would seem that some users, such as Ravinath Rathnake are trying to make this argument personal rather than about the name of the article. Dan arndt (talk) 05:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

The Real Name of this place

Name of the plase which described in here is not the real name. The real name is only Sri Padhaya(ශ්‍රීපාදය) DMsanka (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

DMsanka - we've been through this numerous times - please see the discussions above and in the archives.
This is the English Wikipedia, and we use the COMMONNAME in English, which is Adam's Peak. - Arjayay (talk) 12:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

There is not any english word for "Sri Padhaya". The footprint of lord buddha is situated at Samanala Kanda. There isn't any place like "Adam's peak" in sri lanka. This is our country. You don't know about real situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMsanka (talk • contribs) 13:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

I was shocked by the message "We name this Adam's Peak because many people say so. It is unscientific, unproven. There are very clear facts that the historical name of this mountain is Sri Pada. However, these people engaged in an edit war. Dayanist (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018

70 % of locals call this SRIPADA Mountain or Sripadaya I'm wondering how did you name this as Adams peak or what ever some one has called it. if you land in srilanka and ask from some one where is the Adams peak, no one knows. thats the truth. everyone knows it by the make "Sripada" so dude fix this that will be helpful for the travellers a lot. Tholkamudalige (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: see above discussion. JTP (talk • contribs) 23:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

English people have put this name Adams Peak. That is wrong. Name Should be kept as "Sri Padaya" only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.196.63 (talk) 12:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Sri Pada or Adam's peak

Some say Adam's peak is the "only" popular name but these are the proofs that Adam's peak isn't the only popular name.

1. sripada.org/&ved=2ahUKEwjQ6feonYTpAhWB7nMBHaJeBD4QFjAgegQIDBAB&usg=AOvVaw2CZgcbr6HTwecZ1OkohyKa

2. www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistworld/sri-pada.htm&ved=2ahUKEwjQ6feonYTpAhWB7nMBHaJeBD4QFjAlegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0OnEKnyTM0vWmUSbNx6fl0

3. youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAdQ32nzZl2M&ved=2ahUKEwidtK7PnYTpAhVTIbcAHYtLA7E4ChC3AjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2TdMf-XU3yjpTV6gVYuC_G

4. www.thingstodosrilanka.com/paths-to-the-holy-mountain-sri-padaya/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwidtK7PnYTpAhVTIbcAHYtLA7E4ChAWMAN6BAgEEAE&usg=AOvVaw11TP6xqtfMmSSGxXL9dPpo

5. www.colombopage.com/archive_19B/Dec11_1576047949CH.php&ved=2ahUKEwidtK7PnYTpAhVTIbcAHYtLA7E4ChAWMAR6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw3HoGbw-N2ulLwYsfgj0RZc

6. www.srilanka.travel/festive%3Farticle%3D55&ved=2ahUKEwidtK7PnYTpAhVTIbcAHYtLA7E4ChAWMAV6BAgAEAE&usg=AOvVaw3Y9JDFdwgNIdXySWSbHl6q

7. www.dailymirror.lk/breaking_news/Sri-Pada-pilgrimage-will-continue-Prelate/108-185173&ved=2ahUKEwidtK7PnYTpAhVTIbcAHYtLA7E4ChAWMAh6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw3KLrIVFPVBzawc6gLXGeK_

8. www.gettyimages.com/photos/sri-pada&ved=2ahUKEwjLpt-inoTpAhVp8XMBHZm6BZQ4FBAWMAB6BAgBEAE&usg=AOvVaw0QwGUNRoGLBXEse4SEVSK6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dayanist (talk • contribs) 19:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dayanist -There have been repeated discussions about the article title, see the archives as well as the discussion above. Given that it is barely 6 months since the last proposal was refused, it is too soon to re-open the same discussion again - Arjayay (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

The following article contains good information. Read this. www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=18117 Dayanist (talk) 19:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps, this may be the best proof.

www.whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5531/ Dayanist (talk) 19:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a review article on Sri Pada.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281689710_Colonialism_and_religion_Colonial_knowledge_productions_on_Sri_Pada_as_Adam%27s_Peak Dayanist (talk) 19:40, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

This is an article published by the Sri Lanka Telekom, state owned telecommunication firm.

http://touristdirectory.lk/Article/sri-pada-mountain Dayanist (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Buddhist Sects, Holy Places, and History: Inside Buddhism by Kathy Zaun, published by Lorenz Educational Press. In the 35th page of this book, Sri Pada is considered the primary name and Adam's peak as an alternative name.

https://books.google.lk/books?id=rnvxCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=Historical+name+of+Sri+Pada&source=bl&ots=hRtqrrMM3K&sig=ACfU3U0BtIG10-yWs_PmIG4NV2cOiHv6xw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaz9DBrITpAhVO7XMBHeOsBF84ZBDoATAAegQIAxAB#v=onepage&q=Historical%20name%20of%20Sri%20Pada&f=false Dayanist (talk) 19:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Islanded: Britain, Sri Lanka, and the Bounds of an Indian Ocean Colony By Sujit Sivasundaram, published by University of Chicago Press. In the 4th chapter of this book, Sri pada was mentioned as a site of pilgrimage. Sri Pada is considered the primary name.

https://books.google.lk/books?id=6RE4AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=Historical+name+of+Sri+Pada&source=bl&ots=bLBOK5rMbB&sig=ACfU3U0ObbzSIKGJPc3ViSa5YR1SkZBLxw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaz9DBrITpAhVO7XMBHeOsBF84ZBDoATACegQIAhAB#v=onepage&q=Historical%20name%20of%20Sri%20Pada&f=false Dayanist (talk) 20:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

South Asian Folklore: An Encyclopedia : Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India ... By Peter J. Claus, Sarah Diamond, Margaret Ann Mills

Page 578

https://books.google.lk/books?id=ienxrTPHzzwC&pg=PA578&lpg=PA578&dq=Historical+name+of+Sri+Pada&source=bl&ots=n1V3yDq5f5&sig=ACfU3U3rDftcUe0DscVVpAKnWZiGOBS_mg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaz9DBrITpAhVO7XMBHeOsBF84ZBDoATAGegQIBRAB#v=onepage&q=Historical%20name%20of%20Sri%20Pada&f=false Dayanist (talk) 20:07, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Sri Pada: Sacred Pilgrimage Mountain of Sri Lanka - research article by John B. Wright

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249505196_Sri_Pada_Sacred_Pilgrimage_Mountain_of_Sri_Lanka Dayanist (talk) 20:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

The Spacing of Pilgrimage: Two Journeys to Sri Pada in Sinhala Verse by Alex McKinley

https://www.academia.edu/36669203/The_Spacing_of_Pilgrimage_Two_Journeys_to_Sri_Pada_in_Sinhala_Verse Dayanist (talk) 20:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

“PROTECT ENVIRONMENT: PROTECT LIFE” - CLEANING CAMPAIGN AT ‘SRI PADA’. Here, the distinguished University of Colombo uses the name Sri Pada.

https://cmb.ac.lk/event/protect-environment-protect-life-cleaning-campaign-at-sri-pada Dayanist (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

This is the official web site of the Department of Government Information of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka. It only uses Sri Pada.

https://www.dgi.gov.lk/component/content/article/96-latest-news/1007-sri-pada-season-ends-on-vesak-poya-day Dayanist (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

"Plastic bags, bottles endangering Sri Pada biodiversity – CENS". Title given by economynext.

https://economynext.com/plastic-bags-bottles-endangering-sri-pada-biodiversity-cens-48919/ Dayanist (talk) 20:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

"Buddhist Cultural Trails (BCT) – The paths of the Buddha, Sites of Relics of Buddha, the way of Arahat Mahinda, the path of Theri Sanghamitta, the Fa Xian (Fa Hsien) Route, the Xuanzang (Hsuan Tsang) Route, the Cave Caravan Routes of the Western Ghats, the pilgrimage route of King Nissankamalla to Sri Pada (Sacred Footprint), Sixteen sacred places of Sri Lanka, Footsteps of Guru Rimpoche, Buddhist Cultural Trails in Maldives, Buddhist Cultural Trails in Bangladesh, Traditional Centres of learning, New Buddhist Cultural Trails for Tourism promotion and pilgrims, Buddhist Manuscript Trails, etc." This is a research theme based on discussions and ideas submitted during the Research Seminar on Buddhist Cultural Trails held in Colombo, Sri Lanka in August 2017.

https://saarcculture.org/2017/08/30/saarc-research-grants/ Dayanist (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 15 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 01:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


Adam's Peak → Sri Pada – Official and most common name. Blackknight12 (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). – Ammarpad (talk) 22:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • This page has been the subject of multiple contested formal move discussions. It's not eligible to be moved as "uncontroversial". 50.248.234.77 (talk) 17:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep as Adams Peak Concur with the above IP - this has been discussed to death - see Talk:Adam's Peak/Archive 1 - each time it has been agreed that the WP:COMMONNAME in English is Adam's Peak - Arjayay (talk) 09:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose renaming, based on prior discussions. I'm willing to reconsider if convincing evidence is supplied that "Sri Pada" is used more commonly in reliable English language sources. Peacock (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose, nominator has not provided any evidence that Sri Pada is the most commonly used name for the mountain. Based on the evidence provided in the previous arguments I can not see any reason to rename the article at this point in time. Dan arndt (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
    A simple google search of Sri Pada brings up 159,000,000 results while Adam's Peak only has 2,520,000 results. That is a big difference. The same is true for news results: 14,600,000 - Sri Pada & 167,000 - Adam's Peak The Official website is also http://sripada.org. And I'm sure there is something to say about Google listing both names as "Sri Pada / Adam's Peak" in its infobox with Sri Pada before Adam's Peak. Also looking into it much deeper I have noticed every time Adam's Peak is used, Sri Pada is always attached in someway, whereas it is not true for the opposite.--Blackknight12 (talk) 14:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
I was amazed that Sri Pada returned 159 million results so I've looked into your search and found that it's unfortunately flawed. The way Google works it will show partial matches i.e. Sri and Pada as well as Sri Pada. I suspect most of the 159 million results have nothing to do with Sri Pada. In order to get accurate results you need to put the search term in quotation marks i.e. "Sri Pada". This produces 323 thousand results. "Adam's Peak" produces 710 thousand results.--Obi2canibe (talk) 21:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure if that is true or not but it seems plausible. My main argument was that it is the most common name on the internet, if this is true then I guess the move request wont have a chance here.--Blackknight12 (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:GOOGLE, particularly the section on Notability.--Obi2canibe (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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