Talk:2020 Formula 2 Championship

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In detail[edit]

Why if we call section 'in detail' we can't detail why numbers 18 and 19 are not in use? Why it should cover only team and driver changes if whole point of the renaming to reflect not only changes? Corvus tristis (talk) 11:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's practically trivia. The series does not use #13, but do we give details on that?
If anything, it's a sporting regulation change so it should be in a regulation changes section. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 13:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nissany[edit]

Hi, I'm from Spanish Wikipedia, a question. Roy Nissany was really confirmed as Trident driver? The sources used talk about his confirmation as a Williams test driver and a part talks about being "a Trident driver in F2", and it doesn't mean it's real, maybe it's speculation. In addition neither the official FIA Formula 2 Championship page nor the same driver confirmed that he is a Trident driver in 2020. I have read other pages and take advantage of that topic, since he participated in the postseason in 2019, and they already announce it as an official driver, and no sources appear speaking its official confirmation. XxAlanEZExX (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Red Bull Junior Team by Carlin"[edit]

Please stop changing the Carlin team name to "Red Bull Junior Team by Carlin" unless you have a reliable source to support said change. Although Tsunoda and Daruvala are backed by Red Bull, that does not automatically mean that the team is a Red Bull team. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 01:42, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 June 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


– WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. The "FIA" part of FIA Formula 2 Championship is a necessary dismabiguator on the main page to avoid confusion with other Formula 2 championship but no such need exists here. Taking 2020 as an example the majority of sorces neglect to include FIA when discussing the series, [1] (to list a few) Similar results can be found for the other years 2017-2019. Searching without the FIA consistently generates more results than with and I therefore think these pages should be moved to reflect this.

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– SSSB (talk) 08:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: the nomination makes it clear that the "FIA" is necessary to disambiguate this Formula 2 championship from other Formula 2 championships. However, it is apparently necessary in some articles, but not in others even though those others are directly related to the articles where the "FIA" is needed. Furthermore, understanding why the "FIA" is not necessary here would require the reader to visit other articles that are not linked here. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 02:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, it is apparently necessary in some articles, but not in others even though those others are directly related to the articles where the "FIA" is needed. - thats because there are multiple iterations of Formula 2 which are at different articles but there was only 1 Formula 2 Championship in 2017, likewise for 2018-2020. Furthermore, understanding why the "FIA" is not necessary here would require the reader to visit other articles that are not linked here. - so? The reader doesn't need to know why the FIA is/isn't present in the article title. The article should/would clarify that the official name includes FIA in the lead. The reader doesn't need to know the justification of the article title, how would knowing the justification help the reader.
    SSSB (talk) 10:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The FIA is indeed redundant in the title of the mentioned articles. There was only one formula two championship in each of these years, so the inclusion of FIA doesn't disambiguate anything. Thus per WP:PRECISE the title without FIA is already precise enough for our readers to be able to identify the subject. Moreover, it appears that the common name does not include FIA. On a side note I would like to point out that FIA doesn't actually provide disambiguation for the parent article either, since there was an other FIA Formula 2 Championship in the past.Tvx1 11:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per WP:PRECISE the title without FIA is not precise enough. We already had confusion with the FIA Formula 3 European Championship and FIA European Formula 3 Championship (1975–1984) in the past, when due to slightly different names of the championship was considered as one championship which was supposedly restored, while according to promoters, technical and sporting regulations it was absolutely different championships. And the Formula Two history tells us that it is has three different championships with the different DNA, so we should be as much correct as possible. Season articles should be in line with the main article. Corvus tristis (talk) 08:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just how would this not be precise enough? Was there any other formula two championship in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020? No. So there is genuinely no potential for confusion. Moreover, as I pointed out above, "FIA" isn't even being used as a disambiguate. Also there is no policy or even guideline that mandates main articles and season articles to be "in line". We don't do it for formula one (main article:Formula One, season articles:xxxx Formula One season/Formula One World Championship). There is nothing that says they must be the same.Tvx1 18:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we don't have it in 2020, it is not certain that we won't have any other F2 championship in 2022 or later. I.e. 1969 European Formula Two Championship and 1969 Australian Formula 2 Championship. No doubts that European one was the main F2 championship in 1969 and according to your logic we are free to rename it as just 1969 Formula 2 Championship. But is it obvious for casual reader, especially if he is from Australia and didn't know about the European? So I prefer to keep it with FIA, to prevent any possibility of confusion if we will have another F2 championship in the future. I think we should plan more than just one step forward. Corvus tristis (talk) 03:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we have another in the future we can worry about it then. There is no need for season by season consistency with article title. Take the 1980 Formula One season and the 1981 Formula One World Championship.
In the event we have two f2 season in 2022 (which could both be FIA) then:
  1. There is a not WP:PRIMARY TOPIC we can reintroduce the disambiguators which should also be with a WP:HATNOTE and this will remove any confusion in the event that we have 2 f2 seasons in the future.
  2. There is a primary topic then we have a situation similar to what we had with 2011 GP2 Series and 2011 GP2 Asia Series.
But I competely reject future speculation as a reason why this article shouldn't be moved to a more concise location.
SSSB (talk) 09:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But as I pointed out here twice now. "FIA" is NOT being used as a disambiguation. So why must it be kept then?Tvx1 11:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, and it might be worth having a look at 2012 FIA Formula Two Championship etc as well at some point. If the name of the championship was something like "European Formula 2 Championship" I would understand the argument for, even if there was no other Formula 2 championship, keeping the word "European". In the absence of that, I think there's really no need to keep "FIA" since it is an unnecessary disambiguation (there's nothing to disambiguate with) and there is no indication given by opposers that the common name doesn't exclude the "FIA" part. A7V2 (talk) 06:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that you have misinterpreted my argument. I said that we don't know for certain if there will be any other F2 championship like in 1969. If you want more recent example you should look at 2012 FIA Formula 3 European Championship, 2012 Formula 3 Euro Series and 2012 European F3 Open Championship. All of them are European Formula 3 Championships held in 2012, so this is quite easy to confuse, without "FIA" in it. We should be more careful and correct with the naming. Corvus tristis (talk) 07:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Corvus tristis: I'm really not sure I understand. There was no other F2 championship in 2017-20. SSSB is not arguing for the renaming of FIA Formula 2 Championship, and I would not support such a renaming. But until such a time as there is another F2 championship, there is no need for the disambiguator of "FIA". In the example you gave it is necessary to include since there were three very similarly named championships but that simply isn't the case for the articles being discussed here. Also, "We should be more careful and correct with the naming" - the correct name (in the absence of some ambiguity or other exception) is the WP:COMMONNAME. A7V2 (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in that formula three example "FIA" is not wat is used for disambiguation. So arguably it could be dropped there as well. What disambiguates these three championships are the names European Championship, Euro Series and European Open Championship.Tvx1 11:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is a no-brainer. The FIA is not needed. Formula 2 is clearly the concise common name.--Sparkle1 (talk) 00:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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"2020 2nd Silverstone Formula 2 round" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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SSSB (talk) 10:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling error[edit]

Hey, there's a spelling error in line 5, where it says "feautre race" instead of "feature race". Unfortunately the page is currently protected, so I'm unable to fix it myself. FigoHSV (talk) 19:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.
SSSB (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Driver Academies[edit]

Recently, I added the section "Driver Academies" next to the drivers' names, showing each driver's affiliation to a Formula 1 team, and it got removed due to it being "not relevant". Personally, I do not fully understand this decision, given that this section appears on Wikipedia articles in other languages (e.g. German Wikipedia) and I would like to recieve some clarification as to why it was removed. I believe it is a good resource to understanding Formula 2 and the Feeder Series of Formula 1 in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AS19Portsmouth (talk • contribs) 12:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree, it's not relevant, a driver being supported by a F1 team doesn't give a driver preferential treatment within the series. It has no impact on the championship. The article already made clear that it is a feeder series for F1 and adding driver academy affliliations doesn't make it any easier to understand. And it being on other language encylopedias is irreleant. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
    SSSB (talk) 12:35, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In my opinion, knowing the existing connection of a driver to an F1 team would only add to the understanding of how the driver market and the Feeder Series system in general works. Seeing as how throughout the past decade the importance of driver academies has reached immesurable heights, and with 17 of the 20 drivers in F1 having (had) an affiliation with the academy of a team before joining them in F1, I see no reason to not add this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AS19Portsmouth (talk • contribs) 18:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It implies that the series is somehow reconised within the series and that driver academies somehow affect the series, both of which are undenuably untrue.
    SSSB (talk) 10:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason why it got removed is that it falls under WP:Trivia which is not relevant to the subject. In some Wikipedia sport season report some trivia stuff such as denoting first win and/or podium for certain athlete scored that season are added to the article as these are at least related to the subject. The driver academies in this case are not related to the season report. Ivaneurope (talk) 11:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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