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Sources

no source given to support name Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia. show this source here. HuHu22 (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring re: Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia

This name, the official name of the territory in question between 1941 and 1944, is clearly referenced with inline citations from two texts by noted historians of Yugoslavia in WW2, one of which is actually a book just about the history of the name 'Serbia'. http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Yugoslavia.html does not 'trump' such sources, and in fact has no references itself, and no reputation for fact checking etc per WP:RS. It is therefore not a WP:RS. Given the ARBMAC ban, I think it appropriate to report this behaviour to an admin as disruptive editing. Regards, Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

author Pavlowitch, Stevan K say that both names, Territory of the German Military Commander and Serbia, were official and www.worldstatesmen.org say that Serbian state from 1941 to 1944 was officially called Serbia. Both names were official and it is proved with these stamps with official name Serbien: http://www.east-europe-philatelics.com/tabel%20germany%20occup%20serbia.htm (and many other sources support that) and I will report you for sources abuse and POV push if you continue to delete official name from this page. Nemambrata (talk) 07:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

yes it is clear that most sources call this serbia — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGMOSQUITO (talk • contribs) 09:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Pavlowitch says nothing of the sort, and as I have pointed out, worldstatesman (and stamps for that matter) are not a reliable source (except perhaps about themselves). Please read WP:RS, and do not remove sourced content. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Pavlowitch says “Territory of the German Military Commander, Serbia” and not “Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia”. You absolutely abuse this source and bibliography of this article should be about Šabac not about WW2. Do not push your POV everywhere. Nemambrata (talk) 11:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

This has been examined closely, with assistance from German speakers, and consensus (with an experienced admin) was that Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia was the official name. And where is the everywhere that I am supposed to be pushing my POV? Peacemaker67 (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:: For info, the MILHIST discussion on the official name which was sorted out by an experienced admin is here Peacemaker67 (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Edit warring

Here I will explain my edits - Peacemaker67 is try to promote in Wikipedia name Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia. I looked recent edits in some articles and I see that this name was personally included into these pages by this user. This name almost do not exist in English sources outside of Wikipedia - [1]. Name that I use instead, Military Administration in Serbia, is used much more -[2]. Also, Peacemaker67 abused one of the references that he promote. This is reference that he use as support for name that he push - Pavlowitch, Stevan K. (2002). Serbia: the History behind the Name. we see that this reference do not use name Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia but instead it use Territorry of the German military commander, Serbia - [3]. Peacemaker67 abuse this source trying to make false impression that name that he promote is referenced. He also placed these 2 references into article bibliography but they are not bibliography for this page. This page is about town of Sabac and bibliography on this page should have books about town Sabac. Two books that Peacemaker67 placed there are not even distantly connected to Sabac and because of that these books are not bibliography for this page. Nemambrata (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Can we somehow get this discussion on one page? I asked you to discuss on your page, you brought to my page and I responded, now we are on this page. Can we choose a page for this discussion, and keep it there? I'm happy to host it on my talkpage, or we could do it on Occupation of Serbia in WWII Peacemaker67 (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

We can discuss on this page. Nemambrata (talk) 14:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

good. I will be off to bed shortly, but the issue of what Hehn and Pavlowitch say the official name was has been discussed, as I pointed out on my talk page, with the assistance of an experienced MILHIST admin and two German speaking wikipedians. The link to the discussion has been provided on the Occupation of Serbia in WWII talk page, and I'm on my phone now so it is too hard to cut and paste here too. I'm sure you are capable of going to that page and reading what is linked there. The issue is why one author has translated the name as 'Territory of the Military Commander, Serbia', and this was discussed and resolved by consensus. That is why I have used both Hehn and Pavlowitch, and I have not been misrepresenting them. Peacemaker67 (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Nemambrata has good point here. your source do not back your claim. what puzzle me is why you use source that do not back your claim? I think, if people want to back their claim with source then they use source that back their claim. one your source (Hehn) back your claim but other source (Pavlowitch) do not back your claim. if you want to back your claim why you did not used only source that back your claim? why you need to use two sources instead one? let me guess: you want to make case of your promoted word stronger? why you promote this word? why here? and why you revert Nemambrata on this page? is something wrong with sentence: “Šabac was part of the area governed by the Military Administration in Serbia”? do you say that this sentence is not correct? I think that this sentence is not best because I think that we should use name Serbia supported by most sources. but “Military Administration in Serbia” is supported by more sources than “Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia” and it is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGMOSQUITO (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Politics

this article list result of 2004 local election. can somebody place here some newer data from more recent election? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGMOSQUITO (talk • contribs) 18:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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