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This week in history[edit]

What brought that on? Re-running a story from just one year ago as "History" brings to mind John Brunner's remark in Stand on Zanzibar : "Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from what happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view." ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was an interesting little tidbit. ResMar 21:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List view looks good[edit]

The mockup of "list view" of the New Pages "Triage" queue looks good; certainly superior to the the current version. My only question is how that is going to scale, assuming a list that is 5,000 articles long or whatever the NPP queue is currently. One would think that the "approved" articles will have to vanish pretty rapidly from the list, otherwise the thing is gonna be 700 screens long. Carrite (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking aloud here — how about two lists, one for "unpatrolled" and another for "recently patrolled" material? The more I think about it, the more I believe things are going to quickly become unmanageably long (with unanticipated consequences) if every single article takes up one inch instead of one line of screen space. Carrite (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as I understand it the idea is it unfolds seamlessly - rather like twitter, or Special:FeedbackDashboard. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okeyes (WMF), I really like the openness at Wikipedia talk:New Page Triage and think that WMF's inclusion of the wikipedia community in developing the New Pages "Triage" is a great strategic decision. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you; this is one of the (many) elements of the engagement strategy I was talking about a few weeks ago. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Carrite: what you're describing is actually going into the design document that I'm currently writing and hope to publish, either later tonight or tomorrow. We really, truly have been working on this, and want to give people something to chew on.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And viola!--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 04:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just wishing to put the record straight here for Signpost readers: There is nothing 'new' about this project; serious research into NPP issues was first begun by a dedicated volunteer team in October 2010, and 'Triage' was first announced by Jorm as 'Zoom' on 20 Septembe 2011 - six months ago. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the specific details of the project you will see a great distinction between the initial zoom interface and this. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right! New Page Triage is merely the official name. And I see its been redirected to Page Triage, so we should call it that. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]