Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool

Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool[edit]

August 1, 2010 Reshoot

from south southeast

from east

Reason: This image received a lot of positive feedback at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool despite its technical shortcomings.
Articles this image appears in: Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool
Alfred Caldwell
Lincoln Park, Chicago
National Register of Historic Places listings in Chicago
List of National Historic Landmarks in Illinois
Creator: flickr user Digitalley

Support as nominator --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sorry, but other than the OOF issue which is arguably less of a problem here, I think the other problems identified at FPC are as much an issue here as there (lighting, less than ideal composition). I assume this place still exists and is quite accessible, so I personally don't think it qualifies for VP either as the image should be quite reproducible; if it was no longer in existence it may be a different story. (Sorry for rambling a bit, but just seeing if I can help you understand where VP comes into play; as we've said before, it's not just a poor-man's FP.) --jjron (talk) 08:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I do love this picture & it has great EV for the articles it supplements, but jjron is right--just from a quick Google search there are numerous pictures of the lily pool and some with better context, e.g. [1] or [2]. Being in the Lincoln Park Zoo, this image is readily reproducible and I think because of that it just isn't right for VP. & a comment--I think this image would make a suitable addition to landscape architecture, perhaps in the responsibilities section. Amphy (talk)
~~Support~~ We've got valued pictures with bigger quality issues. --I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Striking 'cause I voted again at the bottom. --I'ḏ ♥One 16:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support The quality holds up FP but the guidelines for VP are that "An image's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value.[1]" that is certainly met here.--Iankap99 (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I already gave my response in the FPC nomination, I don't think this has the best possible EV for the "Lily Pool" since the article talks about a pond with lilies, and this is an image of a structure along side the pond. I think a better photograph can be taken that shows more of the pond. — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 08:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I had misinterpreted your statement "since we're not worried much about technical issues but more EV issues and slightly blurry doesn't dramatically hurt the EV." 15:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC) to mean you would suppport at VPC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Directly after that I say, "The only issue I would have there is that the image focuses mostly on the structure and not the pond, and I would consider an image showing more of the pond higher EV since although the structure is a main feature of the lily pool, it is afterall the lily pool the article is about." — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 14:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A bit too dark, no? I also agree with the previous comment that the photo is focused on the structure instead of the pond. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice image --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I reshot this with my point and shooter this weekend. The sky was hazy and looks blown in most takes. I have two takes that are focused only on the pool with no sky. I will upload momentarily.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on reshoot:

Support as nominator (south southeast version)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support south southeast It is pretty bright, but acceptable. Very pretty place, the kind of garden pond I want at my house some day. ;-) — raeky T 19:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Will the reshot photo be added to any articles? As it stands it's only in VPC, but I imagine the SSE shot could easily replace the current picture of the Lily Pool. I think the SSE shot is VP material but I'm reserving my vote until this photo shows up in some articles. Amphy (talk) 01:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- If either image is approved it would be the main image at Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool, with the current main image and the other non-promoted version becoming a two-picture gallery. That is my intention, pending feedback from the interested parties here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Got it. Thanks. Amphy (talk) 01:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Re:Reshoots - The Southeast one is the better of the two, the other one is overlit. I think this structure is probably a difficult one to find a 'correct' angle for a photograph, support original or southeast, oppose east. --I'ḏ ♥One 04:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support South east. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ south-southeast version currently. It needs to be rotated counterclockwise. Look at verticals on the structure. If this is fixed I will support. Jujutacular ^talk 13:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice catch. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you, support sse edit. Jujutacular ^talk 03:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support SSE edit. Well done, Tony. Amphy (talk) 01:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm about to close this discussion, and consensus is currently leaning towards supporting the SSE edit. Please ensure that the image is being used in the relevant articles, and that all redlinks on the description page are removed. Edge3 (talk) 04:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I would've closed this already, but I voted and commented in it. --I'ḏ ♥One 04:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the reshoot I am glad this didn't close, because I almost forgot to revisit this. Nice job, Tony. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 00:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:20100801 Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool from southsoutheast.JPG --I'ḏ ♥One 04:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Promoted File:20100801 Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool from southsoutheast-2 cropped.jpg

At the request of the photographer and a total of 4 votes in agreement, mild or otherwise, the promotion is moved to the cropped version. --I'ḏ ♥One 19:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]