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Template:Funk Volume[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 10:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly Hopsin projects, making it redundant to Template:Hopsin. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Filefolder[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Framework. Izno (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Filefolder with Template:Framework.
Two adaptations of it:Template:Cartella, no significant difference. We can easily merge them into a single (and better coded) template. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 16:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Current iPadOS 15[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Izno (talk) 20:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unused release version template. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Unless Gonnym or anyone else is going to make the case that those uses are invalid, then there's no other argument being made here. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:WikiProject Philosophy/Importance categories[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 20:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This subpage's function, if it was ever used, has been replaced as Template:WPBannerMeta has been updated. Categorization is now handled by that template and its subtemplates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fake heading[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 05:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This template is unnecessary and causes loss of semantics as well as inaccessibility. It is currently mostly used on talk pages in quotes of an article's content, and on user pages. These uses are all misuses; there is no reason why a normal heading cannot be used. The template documentation employs the argument that this prevents the heading from appearing in the table of contents, but this is useless and bad practice: even if you're just mocking up a heading, it's still useful to show it as a part of the table for navigation, as it still appears on the page. Per MOS:PSEUDOHEAD, Screen readers and other assistive technology can only use headings that have heading markup for navigation. Frostly (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No comment on the screen reader challenges, but a great reason to use {{Fake heading}} is when you are in a subsection (level 3, say) and need to include something with a level 2 heading. The resulting structure salad would be potentially quite confusing. As to the TOC, I'm on the fence; I don't think it's necessarily bad to be omitted from the Talk page TOC, as it (the heading in my demonstration) is not meant to be actually part of the content. If such things were included in the TOC, it's be a real mess with it jumping from level 2, down to 3, back up to 2 for the included example, then maybe an example level 3 or two, then continuing with the level 3 text of the discussion, or maybe bouncing up to level 2 for the next talk page thread. It's always a mess when somebody pastes sectioned content from the article, and this template helps avoid that.
I'll have to think about the accessibility a bit more, though. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 04:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Surely the content of this useful template can be modified in some way to make it accessible to screen readers. Let's recruit an accessibility guru to help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The whole point of the template is create a non-functional image for examples in help pages and template documentation. Making it functional would make it ... um ... non-functional. You know what I mean. ---- CharlesTGillingham (talk) 18:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Previous related TFD discussions: May 2018, keep; Jan 2022, two templates merged into this one; Mar 2022, four templates merged into this one. See also this April 2018 discussion at VPP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep, "it still appears on the page" is invalid rationale. Table of contents are specifically to navigate a page's unique sections, which should not include sections used for demonstration or display. Imagine going to a talk page and seeing the whole article's table of contents in the middle of its talk page's. Not "useful" at all, and would also do nothing due to the display content usually being collapsed. --Apmh 18:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This template is invaluable in instances where major article-changing proposals are being made on the talk page. In those cases it's imperative that the table of contents for the talk page not be impacted by headings used in any of the individual proposals listed therein.  Spintendo  22:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This template is absolutely necessary for the purposes of creating illustrative examples on documentation pages, which is its only real purpose. But it doesn't matter if it is sometimes also used on talk pages etc.—Alalch E. 23:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Absolutely necessary for demonstrating examples in docs. YRhyre (talk) 23:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. Vitally needed for {{markup}} examples such as in this WP:CGR help page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome/Guides/Primary sources. Ifly6 (talk) 00:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep Needed for examples in help pages and template documentation (e.g. {{sfn}}. There is no workaround. Article-space uses are already prohibited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesTGillingham (talk • contribs) 18:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – it's quite late here and I'm tired, but shouldn't Screen readers and other assistive technology can only use headings that have heading markup for navigation. be a good thing? We don't necessarily want screen readers to see these fake headers as real ones, because they aren't meant to be real. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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