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Fall of the Western Roman Empire[edit]

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I've listed this article for peer review because I have worked hard on it and I hope it's now Good or even worthy of being Featured. But I'm probably too close to it to be a really good judge of whether it's a likely candidate; I worry that there may be obvious flaws that I am missing. I'd be very grateful to anyone, whether familiar with the subject or not, who could take the time to read it through and give feedback.

Thanks, Richard Keatinge (talk) 22:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Noswall59

  • I think that for this article to stand a chance at GA, it's going to need an historiography section. I am not well read in the Late Antiquity period, but I am aware that you don't really discuss the historical interpretations of the decline of the Roman Empire; the Pirenne thesis is not even mentioned, for instance. The legacy section is also very short. The history of the decline itself appears to be well-cited and thorough, but I will leave that to those more well-read in the subject to assess. On the whole, I wish you the best, but I think this article will need some expansion in the areas I've outlined before it is ready for GA, —Noswall59 (talk) 10:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC).[reply]
Many thanks. There are separate articles, on both historiography and legacy, and this article is already at the limits of reasonable length. I'll think it over. Maybe a short section on each point will be appropriate, with a hatnote to the relevant main articles? Richard Keatinge (talk) 13:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the articles on historiography and legacy? I've probably missed them, but are they actually linked in the article? At 90k, it is long, but not unreasonably so given the topic and there is room for a bit of expansion if needed. FYI, Obama's article (now FA) is over 200k. I think a section on historiography, perhaps with a couple of paragraphs and a link to the main article would be much better; this could be repeated for the legacy section. Regards, —Noswall59 (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Decline of the Roman Empire and Legacy of the Roman Empire, in case you're interested. Very many thanks for your help, much appreciated. Richard Keatinge (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you. Well done on your work so far, I imagine it's not easy when dealing with such a broad and important topic; hopefully I have been of some help. Best wishes and good luck with this article's development, —Noswall59 (talk) 21:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC).[reply]
I have taken your advice and written a Historiography section, with suitable links to main articles. Thanks again for your help. Richard Keatinge (talk) 13:28, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Question about article length. Just to clarify beforehand, I used the Prosesize script as mentioned in WP:TOOBIG and it says that the "readable prose size" of this article is 66 kb while Obama is 57 kb. Per the guideline, above 60 means it should be divided. So is there any lengthy section which can be split off into a daughter article? -Joel. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Csisc[edit]

First, I have to thank you for the work you have done with this excellent work. This work can have GA Status if some adjustments would be done.

  • Related works: The work lacks of links in each part to the related works. For example, Battle of Adrianople should involve a header redirecting to the battle as done for Historical approaches. You can also expand the See Also Part in this excellent work.
  • External Links: You can provide links to reference works about this important period. This would be useful for people who would like to learn more about this historical topic.
  • What happened after that: The work lacks of the reactions of countries and empires towards the fall of Rome. It lacks also of information about what happened to Roman Politicians and army after this important fall.
  • The theories: You should expand the part about the theories of Demandt. You have to cite all extremely important probable and main reasons of the Fall of Rome.
  • The circumstances: The article partially describes the circumstances of the Fall of Rome. Further Information about Social Situations of People in Rome should be well included.
  • The influences: You should expand the part about the influence of Roman Literature and Politics on its invaders. This would be useful to see how Roman Literature was very useful in building important empires...
  • Artistic Works: You should include artistic works like Plays, Films, Books, Songs... that tried to reproduce the fact and criticize it efficiently. This would be useful to see how artists used historical circumstances to write significant contributions to Humanity.
  • Current works: You should also cite if there are current works trying to study more efficiently these historical circumstances and develop current adopted theories about them... This would give a better output to your excellent work.

Yours Sincerely,

--Csisc (talk) 11:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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