Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by User:Sephiroth BCR 23:05, 3 November 2008 [1].

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List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom

Notified: WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, Talrias

Fails WP:FL? criterias 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. The lead is barely two sentences long, the article doesn't even introduce the subject, the prose does not define what the article is about, and the article only has two references. It also has some red links that needs to be cleared out. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24_[c] 01:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delist The unsourced "Notes and key events" column does not belong in a FL. Even if every one had sources, I'd still be extremely wary of it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
• I have made a first attempt at expanding the lead section, though my skills as a word-smith are probably not quite up to the job. I will focus on getting some references into the article after I have had some sleep and also take a look at that "Notes & key events" column. I don't have much experience with featured lists, so feel free to point out any other problems you see and I will try to resolve them. Road Wizard (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep as FL Issues

• "This article is a list of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom and its predecessor state the Kingdom of Great Britain." Not only is this sentence in the wrong place, but articles don't start like this anymore.
• More expansion of the lead is required. Suggestions:
  • What are the main duties of the PM?
  • More history of the position perhaps?
  • List some notable Prime Ministers and what they're famous for.
• The article needs more references.
• Add symbols to the colour code for accessibility.
• Overlinking abounds.
• "(for politican party)"-->(for political party)
• I think that the See also section needs to be purged of the less useful links. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the issues. I think I have resolved most of the ones raised so far. The only problem that I have still to tackle is the lead, but I will see what I can pull together in the next few days (unless someone else is willing to jump in here?).

While the lead is being worked on, are there any other outstanding issues that need to be resolved to retain the FL status? Thanks. Road Wizard (talk) 21:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Prime Ministers during the 19th century were Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, following the Act of Union 1800 (which merged the Kingdom of Ireland with the Kingdom of Great Britain)." Doesn't make sense.
• Really, the only issue left is the lead. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The lead has now been expanded and revised. Regards. Road Wizard (talk) 01:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• "(and hence the area the Prime Minister was Prime Minister of)" Could we avoid the repetition of "Prime Minister"?
• "in the northeast"-->to the northeast
• Single page numbers in references should use p., not pp. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I have finished the changes on the article now. I have left "in the northeast" alone as it appears to be the correct wording. Do you have a specific reason for changing it?

Hopefully there won't be many more comments as I can't put much more time into this one article. Road Wizard (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it can be kept. You did an excellent job of bringing this article back to featured standards. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I am impressed, I did not think the article would clean up this nicely.
  • I don't really like it when there are images in the middle of a group of text columns. Would it be possible to move the images to before the name column (but after the colour)?
  • Since the table isn't sortable, maybe you should merge all of the rows that state the monarch.
  • Would it be possible to add a List of elections won, like here?
  • Is there any image you can add to the lead?
• These are mostly optional, I no longer think this page should be delisted. Good job! -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I have reordered the images in the list and added an image of the current Prime Minister to the lead. The lead image is facing the opposite way to the text, but the only alternative free image of adequate quality at Commons is unusually tall and distorts the lead at anything close to a reasonable width.

I will leave the cell merging of the Monarch column to future editors. I am not really enjoying the prospect of sorting through the table code and setting "row span" variables everywhere.

Likewise I will leave the election column for future editors to decide. While it sounds like a good idea in practice theory, it will require a huge amount of research effort to gather adequate references for all the general elections involved (and that is not mentioning the By-elections that Prime Ministers from the Commons had to fight until 1926 - see Resignation from the British House of Commons#History). The column could also get quite messy as Prime Ministers who led from the House of Lords would not have needed to stand for election. However, it may be something worth looking at once agreement can be reached on what should and should not be included. Road Wizard (talk) 22:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as FL the article is back up to meet the FL criteria. iMatthew 23:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Nice work. It now meets the FL standard.—Chris! _ct 08:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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