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Metallica discography[edit]

Self nomination I've been working on this periodically for a while now and really got into it about a week ago. It's ready now. I left out the b-sides because they are all demos, live, and covers. There are no actual non-album tracks. If you want to see them, they can be found here. I'm welcome to any comments and suggestions. Thanks, Burningclean [speak] 21:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Cool man. Drewcifer (talk) 02:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer

Comments Looks pretty good. I do have a few suggestions, however:

  • Some of the certification cells are center aligned.
    • A few are still wacky.
      • How?
        • The Tributes and Live albums sections are still center aligned. Those columns could still be made less wide with a <br />
  • A pound sign and an abbreviation to go along with the catalog numbers would make them clearer.
  • Alot of the column widths are all over the place. Try and keep similar columns consistent between tables.
    • I've set album widths to 250 and song widths to 200.
      • Looks good, except the EP table.
        • Done.
  • The "RIAA" column in the singles isn't clear enough. I assume you wanted to keep it a relatively narrow column, so you could put "cert." on the next line, keeping the column the same width.
  • I think "format" should probably be "formats", since all of the reseases have been released in multiple formats. Drewcifer (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, fairly minor, but some of the wider columns could be made a little less wide with a simple <br />. Such as "Top Music<br />Video peak" and "RIAA<br />certification". Those cells are already tall enough to allow a second line, might as well use it. Drewcifer (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yea man, I'm working on a similarly beastly discog right now too.
  • One more thing, why is the Directors column so small? Alot of the rows are unnecessarily tall because the text in that column is so squished. Drewcifer (talk) 07:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  • See The Prodigy discography for a neater way to keep a certifications (from more than two Certifiers) for the Albums. The code is kinda complex for Prodigy, so you can make it just like The Strokes discography.
    • I think I'll go with the latter. The Prodigy discog make my brain numb :P
Just as a note, I made the code in the Prodigy discography the way it is so that the actual certification names would be aligned along a common line, as opposed to back and forth. I dunno if it was worth all the code, but that's why it's like that. Drewcifer (talk) 06:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah Burning, I know what you mean, I wrote The Strokes discog, and attempted the Prodigy certs code...
  • Keep EPs after studio album. Also, the billboard peak can just be a bullet point.
  • US main, mod -->Main, Mod. platinum, gold -->Platinum, Gold (throughout).
  • "I Disappear" single entry is ugly. Remove a couple of the cites (BEL can definitely go, no need to list each and every territory. obviously there are a number of countries in the world where the band charted but its not listed here.) and expand the album column.
  • The Music videos column widths suck :D
  • Viedos: Billboard peak --> Billboard 200 peak? Be specific. Column widths suck again.
  • More bullet point info for the Film.
  • The Paradise Lost and Rock Band songs should each have their own row.
  • Lead needs rewriting (not just a ce), why no mention that the Black Album was their most commercial and that it brought the to the mainstream? Too much info on their next album/current status. And what does "Rick Rubin is producing the album; he is the first new producer for Metallica since 1990's Metallica, which was produced by Rock." mean?
    • Hmm... I'll figure one out. The lead is the part I hate when writing :P
  • Refs need formatting. Link first instance of publisher, article name in "quotes" blah blah.
  • Oh wait I was looking at the Metallica article. Fix those then :P.
  • I just might :D/=<
  • If Sound of the Beast hasn't been used as a ref, why is it listed under References? I recommend checking books for chart positions, because many online sources may be be incomplete about the 1980s; we're having such a problem with R.E.M.'s discography. It seems very odd that none of Metallica's early singles (and "Master of Puppets"!) never charted. indopug (talk) 06:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sound of the Beast is used in ref 5. Metallica didn't release any songs to airplay until ...And Justice for All. The only way their early singles were available were at gigs for the most part. I can't find a reliable source for that, I just know it (my dad was a gigger in the 80s and caught the 'tallica) Burningclean [speak] 18:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I too am reasonably sure that "One" was the band's first single to chart. However just to be safe, you should look at the chart information at allmusic.com as well, which is strangely more complete than the chart info at billboard.com (going back to our work on the R.E.M. discography, I noticed that whole swaths of singles I knew had charted weren't listed for some reason). WesleyDodds (talk) 22:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I checked AMG; nothing different. Burningclean [speak] 23:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Where does the discography mention the following;
  1. Metallica's cover of "The Ecstacy of Gold", featured on the tribute album We All Love Ennio Morricone.
  2. Metallica's cover of "53rd & 3rd", featured on the tribute album We're A Happy Family - A Tribute To The Ramones.
  3. Metallica's cover of Queen's "Stone Cold Crazy", originally featured on the tribute album Rubaiyat – Elektra's 40th Anniversary.

Until the above three are featured in the discography, it's incomplete. LuciferMorgan (talk) 12:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Do you have any interest in any other comments/support/oppose? Burningclean [speak] 19:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Ramones tribute album which featured Metallica was actually released in 2003, and not 1999. LuciferMorgan (talk) 19:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Thanks. Burningclean [speak] 22:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Stone Cold Crazy is on the Garage, Inc album - I was thinking that there were some missing songs, like "The Prince", and "Killing Time", from the Black album era singles, but those are all on the Garage, Inc album, too. Skeletor2112 (talk) 05:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, if you check Garage, Inc.'s liner notes, you'd discover "Stone Cold Crazy" was originally on Rubaiyat. In fact, all the songs on the second disc were previously released elsewhere on singles, comps etc. LuciferMorgan (talk) 18:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I knew that. Did you want me to mention it or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burningclean (talk • contribs)
Yea, I know it was on the Electra comp, but nearly all of the tracks from disc 2 of Garage Inc are from different releases, Breadfan, Killing Time, The Prince, even Stone Cold Crazy was the B side of a Black album-era single, IIRC.(I had all of those "cassete singles" back in the day) - should all of those tracks be listed twice on the discog? Skeletor2112 (talk) 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They are all listed under the b-sides. Burningclean [speak] 22:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Big glaring omission Now I'm not sure how many miscellaneous track Metallica released before the Black Album, but one that's definitely missing is "Hit the Lights", the very first Metallica recording from the Metal Massacre compilation. Additionally, didn't they re-record that song for a later version of the comp? WesleyDodds (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow! I missed alot of compilation appearences. I found them all here though. Thanks for mentioning it. I don't know anything about a re-recording though. Never heard about that. Burningclean [speak] 22:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are a few different versions, the original, that was done at the last second, which only appears on the first pressing of Metal Massacre, then there is a re-mix that was on all subsequent pressings. There is the No Life 'Til Leather demo version, which has Dave Mustaine and Ron McGovney, and then there is the Kill 'em All album version. Do other discogs leave out demos? Cuz No Life till Leather is a pretty popular one. Skeletor2112 (talk) 05:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Hey man, looks pretty good. Here are a few things I noticed:
  • While they originally formed in LA, Metallica is most defenetly a San Fransisco/Bay Aream based band, they left LA in 1982 and havent lived here since.
  • "The position for lead guitar was originally held by Lloyd Grant, but he was replaced by Dave Mustaine,[2] with the position for bass guitar was passed on to Ron McGovney.[3]" sounds a little weird.. Lloyd Grant was never really a member, he played one solo on one demo, so I'm not sure he is notable enought to be mentioned here. And the bass sentence sounds odd, 'with the position for bass guitar was passed on to.." you could just say, "with Ron McGovney on bass." And I think the official word is that McGovney was fired.
  • "Ex-Flotsam and Jetsam bassist Jason Newsted replaced Burton and recorded four studio albums, two live albums, one cover album, and one EP with the band before leaving tension with other band members saw him leave." The sentence sounds jumbled, especially the last part. Do you need to list off all of the releases w/Newstead? there is already a big list of eps, releases, singles, ect above. you could just say he was with the band from 1988 to 2003 or somthing. And the last part of the sentence is confusing: "and one EP with the band before leaving tension with other band members saw him leave" Somthing like "left due to tension with Hetfield" or somthing like that.
  • "He was Metallica's longest standing bassist." - sounds weird, also pretty short.
  • " Robert Trujillo (ex-Ozzy Osbourne, Suicidal Tendancies) was offered one million dollars to join Metallica on bass guitar, and accepted.[9] " - Actually, he joined the band and they gave him a million as a "bonus"... the $ thing is not really needed there, you could just say he joined the band.
  • "Rick Rubin is producing the album; he is the first new producer for Metallica since 1990's Metallica, which was produced by Rock" - sounds a little choppy. Does this info really need to be included on the discog page?
  • "Metallica has sold over 100 million records worldwide, with over 57 million records in the United States alone. This makes the band the most successful thrash metal band of all time." - Second sentence sounds a little weird on its own, Combine them to say "As the most successful thrash metal band of all time, Metallica has sold over 100 million records worldwide, with over 57 million records in the United States alone."

Other than that, looks pretty good, dude, good work! Skeletor2112 (talk) 05:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm re-writting the entire lead. Burningclean [speak] 22:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, looking at some of the demo pages for the band - there are quite a few more recordings, (some I've never heard of) but there are some well known ones, like Hit the Lights (album), Power Metal (Metallica album) and No Life 'Til Leather. I'm not up on discogs, but if the Metal Massacre "Hit the Lights" is included, these probably should, too. Skeletor2112 (talk) 06:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nahh. Actually I don't think demos are even notable enough to warrent their own articles. Burningclean [speak] 22:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you can have a blanket rule on the matter; isn't that first demo important in Metallica folklore? Then it would merit listing. indopug (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Garage Inc. should be listed as a compilation. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It is all covers. Burningclean [speak] 22:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But the album was created by compiling previously recorded/released tracks. indopug (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To set the record straight, that can only be said of the second disc. The songs on the first disc were not previously recorded or released. LuciferMorgan (talk) 10:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw nom I'm am going to with draw the nom. I've been busy lately and I need to rewrite the lead. Not much time on my hands to do that. I'll work on the lead as well as any other issues listed here, and then renominate. It shouldn't be too long until it is back up here. I'd say maby a week or two. Thanks for the reviews everyone. Burningclean [speak] 19:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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