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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 02:31, 22 October 2010 [1].

Mariah Carey albums discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 17:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it to meet all FLC criteria. Thank you everyone who takes the time to review the page and participate. Thanks!:)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 17:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments no dab links, no dead external links.
Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do the details columns need to be so wide, as they force the rows to be quite high, and the certifications cannot fit the country and cert on the same line? The 'Box sets' section is unreferenced. Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added references to both box sets as you asked, however, I don't understand the issue regarding the columns, they do all fit in one line.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 00:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose its just my computer :). Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 01:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Max24 (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose
  • No mention of other two studio albums: Emotions and Rainbow.
  • The article says that Merry Christmas has become one of the biggest selling holiday albums of all time but it links to Bestselling Christmas/holiday albums in the United States. It is not the same.
  • The table includes charts from 9 countries. It should include sales/certifications from these countries only.
  • The link to the French charts does not include all the peak positions, so some of them are unsourced.
  • The link to the Australian charts does not include all the peak positions, leaving few unsourced.
  • Allmusic link includes peak positions in Canada since 1997. If positions before 1997 are taken from RPM, there should be a direct link to the magazine issue with the peak position. Also few albums released after 1997 are not included in Allmusic, so they are not sourced.--Max24 (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
These are all fixed, so please re-assess your opinion.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 01:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Peter, I'm glad you have fixed some of the things I mentioned, but not all of them. Here are the details:
  • There are still certifications from countries not included in the chart table: Europe (there's no European Top 100 chart in the table), Brazil, South Korea and Ireland.
  • According to WP:DISCOGSTYLE, a limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested, using any combination of country, component, or competing charts. You have added Japan just now, which is eleventh chart.
  • The Japan peak positions are unsourced.
  • There's no link to Australian peak positions outside Top50: The Ballads and The Remixes.
  • Canada: the table says Emotions peaked at number 5 but the source says number 6. The table says Music Box peaked at number 1 but the source says number 2. The table says Merry Christmas peaked at number 25 but the source says number 26. There is no link for peaks for: MTV Unplugged, Charmbracelet, Ballads.--Max24 (talk)20:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed almost everything. The Japanese peaks are sourced, view the profile pages in the Oricon source, you'll see them. As for the peakes for those 3 in Canada and those 2 in Australia, I'm a bit lost. I can't find those. Care to help? :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 23:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I do care, so here it is:
  • Change the Japanese link to this. It links directly to the albums peak positions.
  • Look for the Australian peaks here.
  • Canada: MTV Unplugged is in RPM charts (she debuted there in June 1992, as I remember). As for Charmbracelet and The Ballads, I've found official source here saying that Charmbracelet debuted at #30. And the site that we can't use here mariah-charts.com/chartdata/Canada.htm, says that Charmbracelet peaked at number 30 and stayed 4 weeks in Top50. I can't find The Ballads on billboard.com, billboard.biz or allmusic, or on any other sites. In that case Charmbracelet should be corrected to #30 and The Ballads removed till we get any confirmation. It wasn't released that long ago, maybe you can find a source. Good luck.--Max24 (talk)23:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Max, thanks for the help. Its all fixed! :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 03:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Peter, who's the bigger Mariah fan, me or You? :)

  • The Remixes peak is here. You can also use this source for Music Box 11x Platinum certification (read carefully the source).
  • The Ballads peak is here.
  • MTV Unplugged peaked at #6 in Canada source.
  • The Ballads peak is still in the article and it didn't chart in Canada.
  • Add this Charmbracelet source to the article.

.--Max24 (talk)08:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hehehe, I'm starting to wonder that myself! Either that or you have connections at the ARIA and CRIA ;). Anyway, thanks for the help and I now believe everything to have been solved. :). BTW, I added the Charmbracelet thing already before, check again :D--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 00:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • LoveSongs is just a re-release of The Ballads. It shouldn't be included as a separate album in the table.
  • The Ballads peaked at #19 in Japan, not #20.
  • Add The Remixes peak position in Japan - #95.
  • Add Germany to The Remixes and put "—".
  • Compilations Chart in France: - the peak for Gratest Hits is #3, not #24. Also add the peak for The Ballads - #39.
  • Add Canada to The Remixes and put "—".
  • Change the infodisc source to this. The current one doesn't show Mariah chart runs (no chance for a direct link unfortunatelly).
  • MTV Unplugged - add French, New Zealand and Dutch certifications.
  • Add Dutch certifications for all albums (NVPI website works fine).--Max24 (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done!--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 19:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Be careful with your edits:
  • Netherlands links to Madonna album in NVPI. Fixed the source to searchable database.
  • Wrong certification for Ones in the Netherlands.
  • Missing certification for Rainbow in the Netherlands.
  • Add the certifications column to The Remixes and leave it empty (like it is in the case of The Ballads).
  • Now that Love Songs is removed, remove also the note "charted in conjunction".
  • I think that albums should be in order Infobox is showing, so Extended plays should be in the article before The Remixes.
  • Merry Christmas in the last sentence in the lead shouldn't be linked. It's already linked above.
  • In the lead there is: 12 studio albums, 5 compilation albums, 2 compilation EP and 1 live album. In the infobox there is: 12 studio albums, 4 compilation albums, 2 Extendeed plays and 1 Remix album. And in the article there is: 12 studio albums, 4 compilations, 1 remix album, and 2 extended plays. It should be the same in all 3 parts.
  • Cassette doesn't need to be capitalised.
  • In sources Billboard should be in italics and it should be Billboard, not Billboard magazine. And there are also few newspapers - they should be in italics.--Max24 (talk) 14:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Max, so yeah good catches, its all fixed! :D--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 05:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I see just one more thing, the lead says: "two compilation EPs". MTV Unplugged is a live album, not a compilation. The easiest way would be just to change it to "two extended plays". It would match the infobox and the article below. However, MTV Unplugged is more a live album. It charted everywhere on album charts and was certified as an album. Wouldn't it be better to make it a live album and not EP (and change it like that in the lead, infobox and article)? What do you think?--Max24 (talk) 18:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, so I guess it is a live album, I mean the whole album was recorded at a live show, so yea I guess. I agree sorta, I'll change it.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 18:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 19:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have made some changes, now it is better. I support the article and I advice to do one last thing: if countries in the chart table are: AUS, CAN, FRA, GER, JAP, all countries in the sales/certifications should be the same and not: AU, CA, FR, DE, JP. Be consistent.--Max24 (talk) 19:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Max24 (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :)--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 20:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Candyo32 (talk contribs)
I'll give my support, there is just two concerns I would like to comment on. Since this is up to be an FL, considering that Carey is such a worldwide artist, I would think that another country should be used instead of the US R&B chart. In no way is this consensus or policy, but in my opinon, the R&B chart is included for artists who do not have international charting and/or have not made ten different charts. This doesn't have to be done, I was just wondering. If you disagree, I'll still support it. However one thing that does need to be taken care of is that Carey's image needs WP:ALTTEXT. Candyo32 17:08, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt text is not a requirement of featured content any more. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey guys, thanks for the commments. Well, I'm not sure if I agree. While it is true, but I can't think of another suitable country. I mean Madonna's has 9 and Celine's has 10 but has 2 for Belgium (they are both FL). And those 3 have simlar sales, so there you go :).--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I didn't know that Alt text was no longer a requirement for FC. And the chart thing is fine, it was just a recommendation. But may I ask why there are two letter abbrevations for the countries instead of three? Also if you did want to switch out the R&B, I'm sure Ireland would be pretty applicable. Candyo32 03:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@Candy I switched US R&B for Switzerland, and changed them to 3 letter abb where applicable. I believe that completes everything.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Candyo32 02:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Minor Comments - Ref 38, 41, 43, 73, 75 language needs stating, is there a reason why 56, 69, 71 is a Google Translate? it just strikes me as odd. Afro (Say Something Funny) - Afkatk 10:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I see no major issues with article. Afro (Talk) 10:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I really appreciate it :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 12:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • fail, since the time of nomination the manual of style for wikipedia has changed and now includes WP:ACCESS. To meet the new standards all discographies must meet the new approved standards at WP:DISCOGSTYLE. And considering that FLs are supposed to examplify the best work on wikipedia this list article fails the new MoS guidelines. I'm point this out on every candidate so please don't feel that I'm singling any thing out in particular. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 18:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Retracted comments for now... its fairer since I would like to see a mass change that I am making notes on the featured list talk page instead. Sorry for the disruption caused. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 22:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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