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List of medical schools in the United Kingdom[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 11 days, 5 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion0422 14:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found this page with Special:Random a few days ago. It looked like this. I've improved, found references and added dates of establishment etc. (for Oxford and Bute, it's not quite clear when the modern medical school was exactly established). Hopefully this should be featured list quality. CloudNine 10:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as nominator. CloudNine 10:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments You've done a good job, improving this list. I'd like to support but have a couple of issues:
  • I think you need to remove the Website column, per WP:NOT and WP:EL. Lists of external links are explicitly discouraged. WP lists should help navigate WP, not the Internet.
  • Done. Thanks for your advice.
  • Bute has no ref. The WP article seems to think it was established in 1899, though you can't use that as a source.
  • I noticed that, but couldn't find a citation to verify its establishment. However, the existence of Bute Medical School is not in doubt, so it wouldn't need a citation otherwise. I'll keep searching.
  • It would be neater if all the tables were the same width. Can you find a thumb pic for England, N. Ireland and Wales? Perhaps some of our WikiDocs could be persuaded to take a camera out and photograph their medical school?
  • I've not found any pictures for Wales or Northen Ireland, but I will add one or two for the England section.
  • Added several images to the England section. CloudNine 13:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you able to cite some sources for the introduction? There's quite a lot of info there, which wasn't obviously found in the individual Uni sources.
  • Any statements in particular? (feel free to add {{fact}} where needed) The Oxbridge and Aberdeen medical facts in the lead are cited later on.
  • I've cited the conclusion of the Royal Commission report. CloudNine 16:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Colin°Talk 12:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My comments are above. Thanks for your review. CloudNine 12:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The Royal Commission report was one fact (now cited). The lack of an undergraduate course at Warwick was probably the other main fact that could be cited (the web site isn't clear that there is no undergraduate course). I appreciate it is hard to prove a negative but I thought that since you'd mentioned it that you'd read it somewhere rather than just worked it out (WP:OR).
There are some problems with the "There were no formal medical schools " sentence. The table appears to disagree in that it lists "St George's, University of London" as 1733. However, St George's WP article also mentions 1834 as the "established" date. Perhaps this latter date is more relevant? It does sound like both St George's and Oxford offered "formal medical training" prior to the 19th century. The list of schools set up between 1821 and 1842 misses off Bristol and Liverpool (the latter is included in the "towards the end of the 19th century" group). Colin°Talk 17:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully I've addressed all those concerns. A more careful reading of the St George's source says the medical school was established in 1834 (teaching began in 1733 though). I don't think I should include Oxford's medical school, because not sure exactly of the date of establishment (possible OR perhaps?). Thanks for your support. CloudNine 17:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The lead does not mention how the list deals with nursing degrees. There are doctor's degree in nursing, but I have no idea whether they are granted in the UK. Also, the Bute Medical School has no source whatsoever, which, even if no precise date can be located (really?), looks a bit out of place. Circeus 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I haven't seen any medical schools that grant "nursing" degrees as such, they offer degrees in clinical medicine. I've kept searching, but not found any citation for Bute; even biographies of the Marquess of Bute don't cover his funding of the school. CloudNine 08:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Added a citation for Bute, although I've not been able to find the date of establishment. CloudNine 16:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks for explaining. Circeus 00:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I can support this. Circeus 00:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nice work. If you could add a comment against every school for consistency (e.g. for St George's you can mention the 1733/1834 point), and make the columns the same width between each table (again, for consistency), then so much the better, but that'd just be extra polishing, rather than anything I could oppose for until it was done. BencherliteTalk 20:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will address these issues. CloudNine 10:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The list looks good. It's well referenced and the layout is simple and easy to read. Good work! -- Underneath-it-All 19:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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