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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 21:41, 24 September 2010 [1].

List of cricket grounds in England and Wales[edit]

List of cricket grounds in England and Wales (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a complete list of all 482 cricket grounds in England and Wales which have held major cricket in the form of Tests, One Day Internationals, Twenty20 Internationals, first-class, List-A, Twenty20 and Women's International cricket. Plus, I thought I'd see where it stands in the world of lists! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't even get this page to load it is so long. Could a split please be considered? Courcelles 20:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Harrias talk

A couple of immediate issues with this:

  • The lead could do with expanding, maybe explaining the concept of 'festival' cricket as a means to partially explain why so many grounds have been used, as well as the Minor counties, Welsh counties and Unicorns, in addition to older representative teams.
  • Can you provide an overall source to show that the list is comprehensive, as far as I can tell there is nothing showing this. The individual references show that each ground has hosted at least one of the games you claim, but I can see nothing to show that other grounds haven't also hosted first-class cricket etc. Harrias talk 14:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral for now, will look into it more later, and "Oppose" split. It is informative and would be ruined if split IMO. Besides the fact that it loaded normally on my comp.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 17:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quick-fire comments
  • "This is a list of cricket grounds in England and Wales" yawn snooze! Featured lists haven't begun like this for a few years now. I suggest you read some of the recent FLs (check the log) to see different ways of introducing the subject, and bear in mind that you don't have to have the list's name in the lead or to use any bold text.
  • Not sure about the title - can you find a term or phrase that succinctly expresses the scope of the list, so as to avoid the impression that the list might contain all cricket grounds in England and Wales?
  • Oxford University Cricket Club is a first-class cricket team, so ought not to have its grounds in the minor counties section under "Oxfordshire". Similarly for Cambridge University.
  • Incidentally, this list wouldn't load at work but will load at home. Our work computer system is clearly past it... BencherliteTalk 22:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Could easily be split at "Minor counties" - it does not break sortability so there's no argument to keep it together. If accessability is important, wp:split should be given equal weight. Sandman888 (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Is there any reason this isn't merged with the list for Scotland (which is pretty small) and turned into a list of cricket grounds in Great Britain? Some traditional split? --Golbez (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • England and Wales play internationally as one nation (England), but Scotland play individually. Harrias talk 17:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aha, so it was a traditional split. Thanks. --Golbez (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment—the links to Alresford, Boscawen, Bowdon, Carlisle, Cowell, and Lancaster lead to dab pages; no dead external links. I agree that a split would be a sensible idea. Ucucha 00:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the list is too long. Even if Wales and England play together, two separate lists are perfectly reasonable. Also, there is a very large amount of empty entries in the capacity column which leads me to believe that more work should be done before deserving a FL status. Nergaal (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (just a couple)

  • On my 8MB/s download, it seemed to take about 20s to load the page. Not good.
  • Leads no longer start with "This is a list of..."
  • Avoid bold links per WP:MOSBOLD.
  • Lead image could be up to 300px.
  • Is the caption in the lead image cited?
  • Lots of empty cells indicating lack of info or perhaps something else?
  • Could subdivide England and Wales as a minimum, especially as I didn't see a specific reference to England and Wales Cricket Board...
  • TOC is way too long and creates massive whitespace at the top of the article.
  • Would be better to see sortable tables.
  • Why are all ref titles in italics?

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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