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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 07:12, 11 April 2009 [1].

List of One Piece episodes (season 5)[edit]

Nominator(s): Goodraise (talk)
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Notified: NocturneNoir‎ and Rambo's Revenge
Not notified: Dabomb87 (on vacation)

Since the last nomination, it has been copyedited. References to the ANN encyclopedia, which was recently declared non-reliable, have been replaced. Everything else was checked and re-checked, just to make sure. -- Goodraise (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. All sources are reliable and the summaries are easy to understand. Nice work.Tintor2 (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I still think the summaries need some copy-editing, which I will do tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have time to go through all the episode summaries, my only comments are:

  • "The next three episodes are called "Shutsugeki! Zenii Kaizoku Dan" (出撃!ゼニィ海賊団?, lit. "Sortie! Zenii Pirates")", not true is it? I thought the episodes have individual names (as indicated in the table) and the 3-episode arc is called this.
  • Why do you use "webcitation.org" for so many references where the original page still works fine. It just seems a rather round about way of doing things.
    • Webcitation.org archives on demand. Once the original pages stop working, I won't be able to archive them anymore. -- Goodraise (talk) 15:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing issues I previously brought up have been resolved in discussions between us. I am happy this page is reliably sourced. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved (taking into account new criteria). Dabomb87 (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) I'm copy-editing, but these are questions that I have:
Since you put it that way, I'll answer the questions directly instead of changing the article. I hope that's alright. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The crew decides to divide the work by drawing straws." What work?
    • This is referring to the work described in the following sentences. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can you clarify this? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • It refers to: "Luffy, Zoro, and Usopp are sent to gather the fruit while Nami and Sanji survey the island. Chopper is left to guard the ship." -- Goodraise (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He enjoys himself" So is he generally enjoying guarding the ship or does he do something that leads to his enjoyment?
    • He imagines being captain and giving orders, but the scene is only a few seconds long and I don't think it needs to be mentioned—at least not to adequately summarize the episode. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "them obscure items" What do you mean by "obscure"? Hard to see, or unknown?
    • It was meant to mean "difficult to understand", but I just re-examined those items and it turns out they aren't (except for me and Luffy). How about "He offers them a variety of items, including a pile of paper that he tries to sell to Nami."? -- Goodraise (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "first-class soup" A bit too colloquial. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A number of words come to mind that could replace it ("outstanding", "excellent", ...) but "first-class" is as far as I can tell the most fitting one. Perhaps you're referring to the fact that it describes the soup as being of high quality. In that case I'll have to clarify that it is not the soup as such, but its quality, that has the effect on him. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Do so. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done. (Though I'm not sure if my change makes it that much better...) -- Goodraise (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note I confess I had forgotten about this, I'll try to return tomorrow or Tuesday, so don't archive this nomination just yet. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "At the day's end, as they are about to leave" Please clarify in the text who "they" are.
  • "Zoro eventually realizes it, but by the time he convinces the others to leave, Nami already lost the Straw Hats' ship in a game of chess." Please clarify in the text what "it" is. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to finish tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't stress yourself. It's ultimately my fault for nominating sub-standard lists. I promise to do better in the future. -- Goodraise (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sanji has a violent encounter with a tax collector, wearing an electric battle suit." So who is wearing the battle suit, Sanji or the tax collector? Suggest "Sanji has a violent encounter with a tax collector, who is wearing an electric battle suit."
  • "eventually was locked up in the brig of the wreck of a navy ship" Who locked him up?
  • "When Lapanui hears Whetton's name, he loses his trust." His trust of whom?
  • "Whetton orders his men to invade." Invade what?

These are the last issues. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All addressed.[3] -- Goodraise (talk) 00:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose - this is the first time I have seen this list so my comments will be from the perspective of a prospective new reader. Apologies if I repeat something already mentioned.
    • For me, knowing zero about "One Piece", I would appreciate an introduction into what this whole thing is about. Your introduction makes the assumption that I know what about to read.
      • This has actually been raised and addressed before (to some degree at least). I have added more content.[4] Is this sufficient? -- Goodraise (talk) 15:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think storyline is either one word or hyphenated, not two separate words in this context.
    • Four paragraphs in the lead is probably one too many for a list of this moderate length.
      • Merged 2nd and 3rd paragraph.[5] Though I'm not convinced that this constitutes and overall improvement. -- Goodraise (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Toei released.." stick with the official name or else place an abbreviation after the original statement.
    • "two to three" presumably it's either two or three, nothing in between? So "two or three"..
    • You talk a lot about the theme music in the lead but don't mention it again in the rest of the article. Usually we'd expect this to be expanded upon.
      • I'm not sure what that would look like. Could you explain? -- Goodraise (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • What does EP# mean?
      • It means "episode number". Are you sure that this needs explaining? -- Goodraise (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • When you say English airdate, do you mean English language airdate? Not "airdate in England"? Not clear.
      • Yes, it means "English language airdate". It should be clearer when seen in combination with the second paragraph. Does it really need further explanation? -- Goodraise (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • By far the biggest issue for me is the onus on the reader to know what this list is about before reading it. I think the lead needs some work to help me understand what this is all about. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd like to note that, although your concerns are all valid, the "theme music", "EP#", "English airdate", and (to a lesser degree) the "four paragraphs" issues are in keeping with currently featured anime episode lists. Anyways, thanks for the review! -- Goodraise (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's fine, it's been five or six months since I reviewed an anime list. However, I'm happy to let the theme music slide, but the EP# needs a note, the English airdate is ambiguous, and leads should still really not be over the top for moderate sized lists. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • OK, I've added a note and changed "English airdate" to "US airdate". However, if you're saying that the lead is too long, not in terms of paragraphs, but in terms of words, then I have no idea how to fix this. No piece of information present there seems expendable. What could I remove without impairing comprehensiveness? -- Goodraise (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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