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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:16, 4 January 2009 [1].

List of NBA All-Stars[edit]

I have been working on this list back in July, but sort of abandoned it until this week. Now after making some more edits on the list, I believed it fulfills the FL criteria.—Chris! ct 02:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

  • Twelve players—five starters and seven reserves—from each conference are chosen from a pool of 120 players (60 players from each conference with 24 guards, 24 forwards and twelve centers) listed on the ballots by a panel of sport writers and broadcasters. - 1)Link to reserves?
    • Could you tell me which article I should link to? I don't see anything relevant in reserve.—Chris! ct 23:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well what does a "reserve" mean in the context of Basketball or in the context of the NBA?--SRX 02:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
        • A reserve in the context of sport means "a member of a team who does not participate from the start of the game, but can be used to replace tired or injured team-mates" according to Wikitionary.—Chris! ct 06:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Then my best input would be to link it to the wikitionary definition.--SRX 20:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
  • The first way is through electronic ballots cast daily by fans on NBA.com or mobile phones. - no need to say way again
  • The second way is through paper ballots cast by fans at each NBA arenas and various T-Mobile retail stores. - how about The other is through..
  • Coaches are not allowed to vote for their own players and can select two guards, two forwards, one center and two players regardless of positions. - comma before and
  • Per WP:Columns{{reflist}}, not all browsers can handle 4 ref columns.
    • I change to 3 columns.—Chris! ct 23:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
--SRX 21:13, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - comments resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--SRX 00:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Resolved comments from Reywas92
  • Comments: Players should not be sorted into separate sections by number of appearances. All players should be combined into a single sortable table with number of appearances as a sortable column. All headers need to be second-level. Per WP:HEAD, never start an article with a third-level header. Lead and information is great. Reywas92Talk 02:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I am not sure if combining all players into a single table will be a good way to illustrate this info. As you can see in this version of the list, a single table is too long and it is hard for readers to look at the number of appearances.—Chris! ct 04:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Fixed headers—Chris! ct 05:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, I don't mean like that example. Every person should have a column next to the name with the number of All-Star games. It could be with the years like "3: 1999-2001". I want to sort all players alphabetically. Reywas92Talk 22:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Instead of "3: 1999-2001", how about make another column for the number of appearances, but not use row spans. Also, I would like to have the "Selections" column sorted out too, so that people can see which player became an All-Star earlier. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 22:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I can make the tables sortable.—Chris! ct 01:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 02:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! My only other comments are in the notes. I think that the note that the 1999 game was canceled can be mentioned in the lead rather than as a note of the first sentence. Also, I do not think it is relevant or necessary to mention the two names and their Arabic meanings. Reywas92Talk 18:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I move the note about 1999 game to the lead. As for notes about the names, I mention them because I think it should be made clear to readers that the names shown here are different from their originals. But if you still think they are irrelevant, I will remove them.—Chris! ct 19:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the names were changed, but the meanings are irrelevant. Reywas92Talk 21:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I removed the meaning bits.—Chris! ct 23:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "(60 players from each conference with 24 guards, 24 forwards and twelve centers)" Use em dashes instead of parenthesis, and "twelve"-->12.
  • "The starters are currently chosen in two ways."
  • "each NBA arenas"
  • "and various T-Mobile retail stores" Various implies a variety or divesity in these stores, use "some" instead.
  • "Lastly, if a player is unable to participate due to injury, the NBA commissioner will select a replacement." Why "Lastly"? This is not a chronological list (in the lead).
  • "holds the record for most All-Star Game selection and most All-Star Game played. " Should be pluralized "selections" and "Games".
  • "He was selected 19 times and has played a total of in 18 games." Why only 18 games (add a footnote if necessary)?
  • Is it possible to include information about why the All-Stars missed certain games?
    • Not sure if that is possible because there aren't references about why they missed certain games.—Chris! ct 04:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Shaquille O'Neal holds the record for most All-Star Game selection among active players, with a total of 14 selections." Dabomb87 (talk) 02:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Everything else done—Chris! ct 04:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24

Comments -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c]

  • Question: Is it possible to split the list into two, so that the page will load faster? This is because, with 145,184 bytes, some computer may tend to take longer than 30 seconds to load the page.
  • No, I don't think so.—Chris! ct 19:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is better to leave it in a single page for now. The page is not long that it have to split into two page immediately.—Chris! ct 01:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"The page is not long that it have to split into two page immediately." Are you sure? The page is 145 kilobytes long. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 01:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I don't want to split the list is because it is very hard for readers to look at the number of selections when players are split in two page. I am willing to change if you can come up with a way to shorten the list while illustrating all useful info on a single page, but unfortunately I think that spliting the page according to last name isn't going to work.—Chris! ct 02:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not saying that it should be done now, but this is one of those instances where writing out the references manually (as opposed to using {{cite web}} and {{cite news}}) would have been beneficial. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think making the columns wider is ridiculous. I suggest you make the lists thinner to add images of the players. One image of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is not enough.
  • You just mention that this page is loading a bit slow, adding more pictures will make things worse.—Chris! ct 19:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is true. How about add another column for Nationality or Position? -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 22:49, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That too will make the page even longer especially after I add a "# of appearance" column.—Chris! ct 01:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You could note that the statistics are correct through the end of the 2008 NBA All-Star Game.
  • Instead of noting the column, "Selections", you could add that note to the key.
    • I don't see why adding notes to the key is better than having a note column. Basically they served the same purpose.—Chris! ct 19:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess I misunderstood your comment. Never mind.—Chris! ct 19:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note already in the key.—Chris! ct 02:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see the note being moved to the key yet... -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 03:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards on 07:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • You could tell the readers that Jerry West have the most consecutive selections, and that Bob Cousy and John Havlicek are tied for the most consecutive games played.
    • You sure? The list is already long.—Chris! ct 02:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph looks too short to me, besides, it's only two sentences. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 03:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added —Chris! ct 20:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some reader may not know what a "all-star" is. You can get a definition of it and put it on the article, or just rename the article to "List of players selected to play in an NBA All-Star Game", or something similar.
  • After some thoughts, the first sentence of the second paragraph pretty much explains this. But if you think it is inadequate, I can move the page.—Chris! ct 02:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article should be moved to "List of NBA all-stars" because of the grammar. Also, you should add the definition of an "all-star". The reference is here, which defines, "Sports. a player selected for an all-star team." -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 03:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Like I said, the first sentence of the second paragraph already define what is "all-stars", "players who have been selected for the All-Star Game". As for the grammar issue, I don't anything wrong with the title. But I will ask someone about that.—Chris! ct 19:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also don't see the grammar problem. "All-Stars" is a proper noun, so it should be capitalized. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first sentence does define what an all-star is, but doesn't actually tell the readers directly what the sentence actually defines. I suggest you change, "The following is a list of players who have been selected for the All-Star Game at least once in their career." to "An (A/a)ll-(S/s)tar is a player who have been selected for the All-Star Game at least once in their career.[1]" -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 22:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, how is all-star a proper noun? It has never been spelled capitalized. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 22:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I think I understand what you are talking about. I linked all-star so that readers can understand the term. I also added "NBA" in the first sentence of the second para to avoid ambiguity and to make absolutely sure that the capitalization of "All-Stars" was correct in that instance. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did Dabomb87 addressed your concerns, SRE.K.A.L.24?—Chris! ct 23:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sentence still does not tell the readers what the definition is defining. I still suggest you change the sentence to "An (A/a)ll-(S/s)tar is a player who have been selected for the All-Star Game at least once in their career.[2]", ot something similar. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 00:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about: "An NBA All-Star is a player who has been selected for the All-Star Game at least once in their career."? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds good to me, but of course with the reference. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 03:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Do we really need a reference? If that is the issue, we can say: "For the purposes of this list, an NBA All-Star is a player who has been selected for the All-Star Game at least once in their career." That way we are free from having to justify our calling the players an All-Star. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No references are needed, in my opinion—Chris! ct 03:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that some readers may not know much about basketball, that is why I wanted a reference for the definition of "all-star". As long as all the readers know what you are saying, then its fine. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 04:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it is fine now? Are you satisfied?—Chris! ct 04:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you asking me two questions that are very similar? Anyways, yes, I think it is fine now. -- signed by SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 spell my name backwards at 07:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in the bot processing the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ "all-star". Reference.com. Dictionary.com, LLC. Retrieved 2008-12-28.
  2. ^ "all-star". Reference.com. Dictionary.com, LLC. Retrieved 2008-12-28.
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