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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 30 May 2020 [1].

What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This?[edit]

Nominator(s): ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the first film Martin Scorsese created when he was studying at New York University. This is my first FAC nom and hopefully it gets the FA status. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass
  • Images are correctly tagged. buidhe 01:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Other comments
  • "In 1963, What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This? was made as part of New York University's summer program.[3] It is Martin Scorsese's first film." Strongly suggest combining these sentences. It's a bit confusing because it should state right at once that it was directed by Scorsese.
  • Picture of Scorsese is too big and distracting, strongly suggest trimming the caption and scaling down a bit. Text already explains how he is relevant. buidhe 01:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh and File:What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This.jpg does not need to be non-free because it is below the threshold of originality. I would upload a higher resolution version, using {{PD-text}}, at Commons and delete the low-res version. buidhe 01:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you Buidhe for the comments. I have made the changes as you suggested. I don't think there is any higher resolution images available online since the videos online are 360p videos. The 4K version is only limited to the theatres. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 10:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, well regardless I converted it to free use and copied it to Commons. buidhe 16:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HaEr48[edit]

(Note, I intend to claim this review for WikiCup) Thank you for your work and for nominating. Article about films has a well-defined expectation about what content should be present in most films. It can be found here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Primary content, which in my opinion is a very good guideline that applies here. I get that this is a short film so it doesn't have as much detail, but I feel that it can still be expanded in order to be comprehensive. Based on comparing the article with the guideline (especially the "Primary content" section that lists "content that is expected in articles about film on a regular basis"), I find following scope from improvements:

  • Adding themes (ideas or motifs in the film's elements) as analyzed by reliable sources
  • Production: IMO, we need some detail about how the film's concept and script was developed, financing, recruitment of cast or crew, place of filming
  • Release : How it was released? Was it screened at film festivals or in theaters? Do we have more specific dates than just the year?
  • Reception: do we have any info about commercial performance (or is there such a thing for short films?), viewership statistics, and accolades?

I suggest you take a look at the guideline mentioned above and see if you have more info that can be added. If applicable, any content listed in "Secondary content" can also be added (although maybe mostly no). HaEr48 (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am working on this. I have found a great book about the film. Will be finished within 1-2 days. Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 20:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Couple of feedback:
  • What is the relation of the second paragraph of #Themes to the film's themes? I feel like it's written as a bio of Scorcese rather than providing insight into the film's themes. Suggest summarizing it a little bit and moving the relevant part to #Production as it relates to the development of the movie. HaEr48 (talk) 03:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done.
  • Is there any sort of number or statistics that indicate how widely viewed it was?
  • Nope. This was just meant to be a student project to teach them the fundamentals of making a film.
  • The release part only mentions 1992, so what does 1963 the release date in the infobox mean? How was it initially released, was it just submitted as part of the university assignment? HaEr48 (talk) 03:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The film was shown to the professor as a university assignment.

Oppose short though it is, the article needs a thorough copyedit. For example, the word "film" is used 55 times in the article body, including in sentences such as "The film was shot using 16 mm film, and filmed entirely in one week." Another such word is "obsess", used six times in nearly as many sentences in the plot summary. Try to bring the repetitions down to around once every other sentence. Other examples of weird prose are "The staff of Austin Film Society said that the film has the Nichols and May, an improvisational comedy duo atmosphere to it."

Further, the prose in the Production section doesn't flow well at all; looking into the article history this seems to be because you have added a lot of stuff recently, including an entire section, Themes (which, by the way, is more of a legacy section, in that it examines the way Nice Girl is a precursor of the acclaimed Scorcese features of the future). I strongly recommend de-listing this from FAC for now, and enlisting the help of veterans at WP:FILM instead to improve the article.—indopug (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it still needs some work. For example (there might be more):
  • Later, he has difficulty sleeping due to it.
  • Excessive use of the film's full name throughout the prose.
  • the What's a Nice Girl Like You Doing in a Place Like This?
  • Recommend summarizing the first para of #Production just to the relevant parts. e.g. the details about the Seminary class, the B. A. and the Master's degree are probably not relevant , although it may just be me. HaEr48 (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose grammar is still terrible... needs a c/e despite how small it is. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note

I note there was a GOCE before the nom but given ongoing prose concerns it sounds like someone versed in film articles needs to have a go, and that should take place outside the FAC process, so I'm going to archive this. Cehers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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