Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Liza Soberano/archive1

Liza Soberano[edit]

Featured article candidates/Liza Soberano/archive1

Nominator(s): Pseud 14 (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After tackling two Filipino musician bios, back again with an actor BLP this time. Liza Soberano is an American born Filipino actress who began her career as a model in the Philippines before she ventured into acting. Since then, she has appeared in commercially successful projects primarily with frequent collaborator Enrique Gil, both of whom are depicted in the media as a "love team". Dismayed at being typecast to parts as an on-screen couple with Gil, Soberano returned to the United States in 2022 to pursue an acting career in Hollywood and has since made her breakthrough in the 2024 comedy horror Lisa Frankenstein. Constructive criticism, in any form and from anyone, will be appreciated. Happy to address your comments and thanks to all who take the time to review. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

750h[edit]

Will leave comments soon. 750 h+ 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lead

"For her performances of a gutsy young aristocrat in the drama series Dolce Amore (2016) and a tribal heroine in the" recommend linking "aristocrat" to Aristocracy (class).

Linked

"In an attempt to shed her image as an on-screen couple with Gil" I think for conciseness this could be changed to "Attempting to shed her..."

Done

career

"She portrayed a fruit farmer who supervises Gil's character after being forced to work in the plantation." I think this should be "on the plantation". I think though.

Changed

link "aristocrat" to Aristocracy (class).

Linked

"...experience, as she did neither understand nor suffered from a break-up." suffered should be changed to "suffer".

Done

"Mari-An Santos of the Philippine Entertaiment Portal particularly" Entertainment is spelt wrong.

Thanks for catching this. Fixed

"It featured flight sequences which required her to perform stunts while" "which" should be "that".

Done

"The series was controversial for whitewashing the cast; Soberano's character was meant to be of indigenous Filipino ethinicty." Ethnicity is spelt wrong too.

Fixed

advocacy

"Soberano is a gender equality advocate and supports women and children's rights." ==> "Soberano is a gender equality advocate and supports women's and children's rights."

Done

That's all I got @Pseud 14: Excellent work on this article and i hope to see more in the future! 750 h+ 08:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review and for catching the typos 750h+. All comments have been actioned. Let me know if there's anything I may have missed. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Pseud! I'm happy to support the nomination. 750 h+ 22:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MyCat

I promise to not delay reviewing this one- let's take a look!

Around this time, she was spotted online, through her social media post, by a talent scout - could be condensed: "Around this time, a talent scout found her on social media and introduced her to..."

Done as suggested

- Also, what did the talent manager find? Singing videos? Acting videos? Or did they just say "she ought to be a model" (which is entirely possible)

Every source I checked only mentions a social media post and did not detail anything else. So I am of the assumption it was purely based on her appearance and likely the latter.

she had already been signed to a one-year deal - seems a bit wordy; possibly, "she had signed a one-year deal"

Done as suggested

At his urging - whose urging?

By Diaz, clarified this

Her break came the following year - the next para says her breakthrough was in Got to Believe; does this mean "break" in a different context?

Revised this sentence, as her first series (and not necessarily a breakthrough, yet)

she found this to be an important learning experience - which show is 'this'

Tweaked for clarity, as this pertains to the show mentioned in the preceding sentence

she underwent a series of workshops - acting workshops? singing workshops? learn-filipino workshops?

Clarified as acting workshop, since voice lesson is also mentioned separately

she went on to appear - 'she appeared' is less wordy, but I'm unsure if there's a specific reason it's worded this way

Revised as suggested

a romantic drama about childhood best friends (played by Dingdong Dantes and Bea Alonzo) who realize they are in love with each other - this detail is more about the film than about Soberano- what did she play? Otherwise I don't think this detail is needed

None that I could find. Removed/tweaked

Similarly, the Philippine Daily Inquirer's Rito Asilo remarked that the film's delivery was lackluster and unauthentic - this echoes the previous quote, not sure it's needed

Removed

as she did neither understand nor suffer from a break-up - this confuses me a bit- I think I know what's being said here, but it's in the wrong order; perhaps "as she had never experienced a break-up and did not empathize with the character" or something of the sort that fits what the source says

Done as suggested (partly), I think "as she had never experienced a break-up" sums up why she couldn't draw from real-life experience

She found it in the Netflix animated series - 'it' is kind of vague- she found another genre? Rephrase here

I believe the preceding statement satisfies that, she actively looked for parts in other genres, it would refer to "parts" or "roles" she sought/found in the animated genre. Hopefully that provides some clarity

but viewed it to be "almost the exact same cadence" - exact same as what?

Tweaked this to clarify it was her line delivery

Describing her off-screen personality, News.ABS-CBN.com praised Soberano's "humble approach to fame", - no citation after this

Thanks for catching, added now.

after the latter achieved international acclaim - one can 'receive' acclaim, or 'achieve' stardom, but I'm not sure you can 'achieve acclaim'

Should be the former. Fixed.

In 2017, Soberano topped TC Candler and The Independent Critics's listing of the "100 Most Beautiful Faces in World" - I can't find a citation for this in ref 79's massive list- am I missing it?

It should be in the 2018 ref Liza Soberano No. 4 on ‘100 Most Beautiful Faces of 2018’ list : Liza was awarded the Most Beautiful Face of 2017 last year

That's all for me- amazing work on another huge BLP! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your review MyCatIsAChonk. Very much appreciated. I have provided my responses to your comments. Let me know if there's anything I may have missed or needs clarification. Pseud 14 (talk) 13:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good now- thanks for the impressively fast fixes! Support. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support and for always taking the time to review. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Ippantekina[edit]

"at age twelve" can simply be "at twelve"

Done

"sought roles in other genres, including the 2021 Netflix series Trese." that's the name of a series, not a genre

Thanks for catching. Added the genre and made some tweaking

"In 2022, she returned to California to pursue an acting career in Hollywood, and has since starred in the horror comedy Lisa Frankenstein (2024)" convoluted grammar? Suggest "She returned to California to pursue an acting career in Hollywood in 2022 and has sinced..."

Done as suggested.

I've read up to "2011–2015: Early roles and breakthrough". Ippantekina (talk) 07:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review Ippantekina. I have addressed your initial comments. Looking forward to the rest. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider unlinking "breadwinner" as it's a fairly common term.

Unlinked

"the film and their performances were criticized for its overdone clichés and formulaic plot" I always favor the active voice, so I suggest something like "reviews criticized the film and their performances for..." plus "its" is grammatically incorrect

Revised as suggested

"Soberano learned to speak in Italian"

Done

"praised her as the production's prime asset" reads sensationalistic, maybe "praised her as the film's highlight"?

Revised

"play the part by deglamorizing" am I correct to assume that this means she sort of "glowed down"?

Correct. I think it might have been a term I've read in some actor BLPs that would refer to being a character who is awkward, unkempt, completely unglamorous

"The film emerged as a commercial success" suggest "was" (I prefer simplicity y'all)

Done

"Filming took place in Dubrovnik, Croatia, and featured Soberano as a struggling overseas worker" this means "Filming featured Soberano as..."? Suggest something like "Filmed in Dubrovnik, Croatia, it featured Soberano as..."

Revised as suggested

"the series was ultimately cancelled" but the series did make it to the airwaves right? Would be helpful if we know after how many episodes was the series cancelled.

Yes it did air. TV series in the Philippines are usually aired daily, like a soap opera, and there isn't usually sourcing that provides info on the number of episodes. What is often available online is the premiere date or the show's end date, so I had to go with when it ended and why it was cancelled.

"She found it in the Netflix animated series Trese (2021)" found what..?

I believe the preceding statement satisfies that, she actively looked for parts in other genres, and it would refer to "parts" or "roles" she sought and found by taking part in the animated genre project. Hopefully that provides some clarity

That would be grammatically questionable... ("it" = "parts/roles"?). I suggest something like "She found an opportunity with the Netflix animated series...". Ippantekina (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That actually reads much better. Revised and thanks. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Reception for her voice acting" reception of

Done

"Kathleen Llemit of The Philippine Star thought that she had "dynamics" in delivering her lines, but viewed it to be "almost the exact same cadence"" what does "it" refer to here?

it would refer to the deliver of her lines.

Ditto, grammatically unclear. I suggest: "Kathleen Llemit thought that her delivery had "dynamics" but contained "almost the exact same cadence". Ippantekina (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revised as suggested as well.

"She became aware of a forthcoming comedy horror film" so this plan has not realized? If so I'd remove it per WP:CRYSTALBALL

It prefaces the next paragraph on how the role/project came about.

"Lisa Frankenstein (2024), starring Kathryn Newton in the title role" sooooo is Lisa Frankenstein the comedy horror film previously discussed?

Correct, to answer your comment above.

If so why don't we remove the "forthcoming" thing? I would just summarize how Soberano moved to LA in 2022, got involved with Zelda Williams, and shot the film without mentioning the details of how she had doubts about a yet unnamed film (that's for the film article). Ippantekina (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed "forthcoming" to avoid ambiguity. I've re-read the source and by the time this was pitched to her, it was already greenlit with a name/title and script. Additionally, I would respectfully argue and as I have seen in other FAs for actors, it is generally acceptable to discuss initial reluctance/doubts about projects and what made them accept those roles (unless those projects did not materialize, then it would def not be worth mentioning, IMO). As examples:

In Leonardo DiCaprio's article about taking on Jack in Titanic: DiCaprio initially had doubts, but was eventually encouraged by Cameron to pursue the part.
Jennifer Lawrence on how she accepted the Hunger Games role: Despite being an admirer of the books, Lawrence was initially hesitant to accept the part, because of the grand scale of the film. She agreed to the project after her mother convinced her to take the part.
Anne Hathaway's doubts about doing a sequel to Princess Diaries: She was initially hesitant and nervous about starring in the sequel, but agreed to it after Marshall convinced her that she was not repeating anything.
Jessica Chastain on accepting a role for her Broadway debut: Chastain was reluctant to take the role, fearing the anxiety she had faced during her early stage performances.[64] She ultimately agreed after finding a connection to Sloper Pseud 14 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally would leave that information for the film article, but this is not a make-or-break issue so I'm fine with it :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"She also founded a production company which will produce a yet-untitled drama thriller film" ditto CRYSTALBALL

Removed.

Will review "Reception and public image" and subsequent sections later. Ippantekina (talk) 04:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ippantekina. Responses provided to your comments. Let me know if I may have missed anything. Pseud 14 (talk) 17:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I replied above; a few instances of dangling modifiers but so far they're not detrimental. Ippantekina (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your responses Ippantekina. Made the changes and provided my response to the last point as well. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be mindful of MOS:LQ; a few full quotes are not being cited properly

Done (I think). Feel free to edit if there's anything amiss. I still struggle with MOS:LQ from time to time :)

"with her "angelic eyes, symmetrical features, a refined nose and lips" as her trademark features" I would attribute direct quotes to sources per WP:ATTRIBUTION

Done

"In 2017, Soberano topped TC Candler and The Independent Critics's listing" are these listings notable?

I believe it is, it has been publishing this listing since 1990 and has had coverage in various editions of Vogue[1] [2] [3], as well as US Weekly

"She uses her platform to speak out on social and political issues" what's "platform" here? I'm assuming social media, is this the case?

That would be correct. I used it for variation and not having to use "social media" repeatedly

I'd use "social media" as "platform" is too vague a term. Ippantekina (talk) 04:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"She began dating co-star Enrique Gil" I think "She began dating Gil" is enough as Gil has been introduced previously, and his name appears throughout the article

Done

"She is reticent to discuss her personal life on social media, and refuses to share posts involving her family" I don't think the comma is needed

Removed

"A K-pop music enthusiast" err, trivia?

Removed

This concludes my review. Overall a nice read. I'm happy to support once my points are addressed :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ippantekina. I have addressed and replied to your remaining comments. Let me know if there's anything I may have missed. Pseud 14 (talk) 04:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support on prose ~~though one point remains unaddressed above.~~ Ippantekina (talk) 04:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support Ippantekina. I've tweaked that sentence and simplified it, hopefully that works now. Pseud 14 (talk) 04:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing everything, I'm happy to give my full support. By the way, I would very much appreciate it if you could give some input to my current FAC for "You Belong with Me". Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]