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The article was archived by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 18 April 2022 [1].

Late Registration[edit]

Nominator(s): K. Peake 14:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about American rapper Kanye West's second studio album, Late Registration (2005). The album marked a distinctive change in style from West and was a widespread critical success, which has also received much retrospective acclaim. Five singles were released for promotion, including the international hit "Gold Digger", while the album performed well commercially in countries such as the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. The GA review of this article came about way back in 2012 before I was even a user of this site, though I have kept on eye on it these past few years. I have consistently added edits whenever I saw the need over this timeframe and recently, around two weeks have been spent by me preparing the article for FAC! K. Peake 14:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Realmaxxver[edit]

Placeholder. Realmaxxver (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Late Registration has frequently appeared on professional lists of top albums" Think it would be easier to just say "top albums lists".
  • "West spent more than a year and US$2 million to produce Late Registration.[6]" Would "West spent US$2 million to produce Late Registration, recording it over the course of a year.[6]" work better?
  • Done, but I wrote "recording it in over a year" after the comma because that accurately reflects the timespan. --K. Peake 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and Brion was able to translate the composition and another Levine vocal track in a few hours.[3]" What does this really mean?
  • Clarified by writing "effectively work with", as the source is discussing the composition and the vocal track being "meshed". --K. Peake 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wall appears alongside West and his GOOD Music labelmate GLC on "Drive Slow", which was recorded in Los Angeles after the two had formed a friendship while posing for a photo shoot for an August 2005 issue of King in a spread titled "Coming Kings".[14]" → "Wall appears alongside West and his GOOD Music labelmate GLC on "Drive Slow". It was recorded in Los Angeles after the two had formed a friendship while posing for a photo shoot for an August 2005 issue of King, in a spread titled "Coming Kings".[14]"
  • " ' "My Way Home" is performed solely by West's GOOD Music associate and fellow rapper Common, whose sixth studio album Be was being produced and recorded by West simultaneously with Late Registration.[7][17]" replace "simultaneously with" with "alongside"
  • "Certain tracks originally produced by West for the album turned into beats for Late Registration.[17]" "the album" could also be "the former"; "Certain tracks originally produced by West for the former turned into beats for Late Registration.[17]"
  • Done, but wrote "his own work" instead of the title to avoid closing two consecutive sentences in the same way and because this is the work mentioned alongside Be previously. --K. Peake 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When Jon Brion is already linked in the image caption (In the Recording section) I don't think it needs to be linked in the quote box in the next section.
  • "Kim noticed a clear difference between West's the album and West's previous work, stating," → "Kim noticed a clear difference between Late Registration and West's previous work, stating,"
  • I have not done this as not only is Late Registration the most recent album mentioned here, but the last occasion uses its title. --K. Peake 16:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Rolling Stone writer Rob Sheffield concurred with this sentiment, analyzing that West "claims the whole world of music as hip-hop turf" and also takes on a "mad quest to explode every cliché about hip-hop identity".[2]" → "Rolling Stone writer Rob Sheffield concurred with this sentiment, analyzing that West "claims the whole world of music as hip-hop turf", taking on a "mad quest to explode every cliché about hip-hop identity".[2]"
  • "As the song progresses, its structure gradually morphs and experiences growth musicality." → "As the song progresses, its structure gradually morphs and experiences growing musicality."
  • The image caption in the "Themes and lyrics" section (the Kanye image) is pretty useless, considering that this is already cited in the prose text.
  • "West's lyrics contemplate "being honest with yourself in a world that is not", according to rap scholar and author Mickey Hess.[47]" → "According to rap scholar and author Mickey Hess, West's lyrics contemplate "being honest with yourself in a world that is not"."
  • "West speaks about women that drain men of the money in their pockets on "Gold Digger", accompanied by Jamie Foxx ad libbing.[49]" → "West speaks about women that drain men of the money in their pockets on "Gold Digger", accompanied by Jamie Foxx's ad libbing.[49]"
  • "The album features critiques of institutions such as historically black colleges" simplify it to "The album critiques institutions such as historically black colleges"
  • "West performed tracks from Late Registration at Abbey Road Studios in London for a live album entitled Late Orchestration," link to Late Orchestration here (remember to remove from See also).
  • The paragraph from the Legacy section about the Concert for Hurricane Relief could be moved to Release and promotion.

Image review[edit]

  • File:Late_registration_cd_cover.jpg needs a more extensive FUR. Ditto File:Heymamakanye.ogg
  • Former needs more for purpose of use - suggest looking at some recent FAs that include cover images. Later includes "n.a" fields that should be filled in, and purpose of use currently is almost the same as not replaceable. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Jon_Brion.jpg is missing evidence of permission
  • Nikkimaria Replaced with a different image, please tell me if this alright because I'm not exactly an expert on them to be honest? --K. Peake 07:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Dropout_Bear_Late.png needs a stronger justification since the character also appears in the lead image
  • Done by adding more info --K. Peake 07:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is it important for this image to be included in addition to the cover image? That is unclear, and keep in mind that the more non-free images included the stronger the justification for each needs to be. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both images may feature Dropout Bear, but this one shows the inner artwork of the album rather than the cover and the bear is written about in detail within this context here. --K. Peake 17:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I realize this one shows the inner artwork rather than the cover. What remains unclear is why this is sufficient to justify including both, and why one would not sufficiently illustrate the character. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The context of the images are totally different because the cover shows Dropout Bear merely stood afront the university's doors, while the inner artwork shows him inside a classroom and reading books. Therefore, the justification is valid especially when significant amount of content is included about the inner appearance. --K. Peake 07:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The context is not so significantly different to justify both IMO, but let's ping another image reviewer for a second opinion. buidhe? Nikkimaria (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Nikkimaria, it's hard to see how both images separately satisfy the requirement that "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." (t · c) buidhe 17:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should I replace with an actual image of the university or just have no image in this section whatsoever? --K. Peake 17:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • We're not short of images for this article, so it comes down to, do you think such an image would contribute to reader understanding, or would it just be there for decorative purposes? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe that adding an image of the university would contribute to understanding since this will show the reader what the original building looks like, as they've already seen a photo of West's bear depicted inside it. --K. Peake 07:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Kanye_West_Air_Canada_Centre_2005_(61886360).jpg is of poor quality. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, I added a replacement image. --K. Peake 07:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also not great quality - is there a reason we need to include so many images of West performing? Could just leave it out. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no article for the Touch the Sky Tour that supported the album, meaning this is the main article for the tour, thus making an image very appropriate. --K. Peake 17:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have found one of a better quality but when you are assessing this aspect, remember images can't be as clear as the originals because then they would be violating copyright rules. --K. Peake 07:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you saying these are derived from better-quality originals? That would still be a copyright problem no matter how bad the derived quality is. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the image is sourced from Flickr and I'm not an expert on Wikimedia but I thought that having celeb images was considered copyright when the quality was high? --K. Peake 17:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, neither quality nor fame impacts copyright - it's just how the photographer licenses the work. A professional could release a high-quality portrait photo of West under a free license; I could take a terrible blurry photo of my cousin and reserve all rights to it. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is photo quality really a problem here? To me, this photo looks to be decent. --K. Peake 07:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note[edit]

This has been open for nearly three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it moves towards a consensus to promote over the next four or five days I am afraid that it will have to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With nothing having happened after 4 days, archiving per the above. Hog Farm Talk 13:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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