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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2018 [1].

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Irakli Tsereteli

Nominator(s): Kaiser matias (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

A leading socialist figure prior to and during the Russian Revolution, Irakli Tsereteli was deeply committed to socialist ideals, and his unwillingness to deviate from his principles ultimately helped the Bolsheviks launch the November Revolution. He then returned to his native Georgia and helped the fledgling Democratic Republic of Georgia gain international recognition, before it too fell to the Bolsheviks. He's since then been largely forgotten, and there is only one (political) biography of him out there, which is cited heavily here. Kaiser matias (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Support by Chetsford

This is a very nicely composed and extremely interesting article. As it's recently passed GA there's not a lot to comment on except some minor nit-picking and all of the functional aspects (e.g. reliable sourcing, use of Alt text, etc.) are met. There are certainly aspects of the biography that left me wanting more, however, within the spirit of an encyclopedia article I believe this is thorough and covers all major aspects without going into needless detail. My own curiosity would be better satiated by exploring the references in greater detail than demanding additions. I had a few minor comments, none of which rise to the level of impairing my support.

• the two were asked to attend on account their contacts in Europe - I believe there should be an "of" between the words "account" and "their".
• Twice his law studies are mentioned but, unless I missed it, there is no mention of where they were undertaken.
• However his refusal to perceive the Bolsheviks as a serious threat, even as late as October 1917, ultimately helped them lead the October Revolution. - Because "however" is being used as a connector, and not a modifier, I believe it should have a comma after it.

Chetsford (talk) 22:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and fixed up those two issues. I also would have liked more, but to so would effectively require going to read his archived papers at Stanford, which while something I'd like to eventually do, is beyond the scope of this, for now. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Image review

• Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods

• All of the images description pages should include when and where the images were first published, not just created. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Will take a look and get back to you shortly. Kaiser matias (talk) 23:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria:: Aside from the lead image, I have noted the publication details for the images. In regards to the prison photo and the image labelled "IrakliTsereteliComoMinistroMayoJunio1917", they are both from the Roobol book, which does not cite sources for the images, aside from the date they were first published (1904 and 1917, respectively). I do not have the book available for the latter two (which have groups in them; I'm not writing their long, Spanish names here), so can not confirm their details, but feel that if need be they can be removed without harming the article. The initial image lacks any details, and while it is a great shot of Tsereteli, without details I feel that it is going to be difficult to justify its inclusion here. Kaiser matias (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

The Roobol book says specifically they were published in those years? For File:SocialistasEnIrkutskDanTsereteliVoitinskiDan19141915.png and File:PresidenciaPrimerCongresoSoviéticoSkobelevChjeidzePlejánovTsereteliJunioJulio1917.png, is there any earlier publication? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:17, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Roobol does say that, yes. And found out that the other two are credited as from the Hoover Institution archives, so while they may have been published around the date of creation, I have no easy way to confirm it, at least not now. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria:, thoughts on this? Kaiser matias (talk) 15:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately in the absence of a confirmed early publication, the current tagging on those images won't work. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

(outdent)@Nikkimaria:, that isn't really an issue as their absence doesn't detract from the overall tone of the article, so have gone ahead and removed them. Hope that it is now good to go. Kaiser matias (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Yep, that's fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Coord note

Sorry but this has been open a month and a half and without generating sufficient commentary for promotion so I'm going to archive it. I'd like to suggest that you try and get some eyes on it outside the FAC process, then bring it back in a few weeks for another nomination. Peer Review is an option but in any case it might be worthwhile going direct to relevant WikiProjects or their individual editors (perhaps also MilHist, even though it doesn't strictly come under that banner). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

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