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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Yalda22, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Please add goals to the Talk page[edit]

Hi, I see your group chose to edit HPV vaccine, however there are no editing goals currently posted to the Talk page. Please update. Health policy (talk) 04:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia and Wikiproject Medicine

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– the WikiProject Medicine team Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Just follow the steps 1, 2 and 3 as shown and fill in the details

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Remember that when adding content about health, please only use high-quality reliable sources as references. We typically use review articles, major textbooks and position statements of national or international organizations (There are several kinds of sources that discuss health: here is how the community classifies them and uses them). WP:MEDHOW walks you through editing step by step. A list of resources to help edit health content can be found here. The edit box has a built-in citation tool to easily format references based on the PMID or ISBN.

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We also provide style advice about the structure and content of medicine-related encyclopedia articles. The welcome page is another good place to learn about editing the encyclopedia. If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a note. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support from WikEdu[edit]

User:Shalor (Wiki Ed) can you provide some details here? Also Yalda please familiarize yourself with WP:3RR Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, trying to modify my sources, however now I cannot do so. Also don't understand what MusikAnimal's vague statement or what is considered to be constructive statement. Thanks. Yalda22 (talk) 21:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay have you read what has been posted above? Can you please use high quality secondary sources. Also please read WP:MEDMOS regarding formating. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


What is unclear to me is why there are no in detail discussions of the studies completed which FDA referenced in approving expansion of age for vaccination? Indeed they are primary sources, however these are the studies FDA utilized and referenced during approval. This was my goal with the addition of my initial edit and subsection, was to include the sources for studies which FDA referenced in their summary basis for regulatory action. In the current content of this article it references that FDA approved expansion of age and indication for Gardasil 9, but missing information and necessary discussion of how FDA came to approve vaccine implementation for females and males aged 27-45, which would entail discussing the clinical literature and findings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yalda22 (talk • contribs) 23:31, August 7, 2019 (UTC)

You added[edit]

"On October 5, 2018, Food and Drug Administration released a summary basis for regulatory action and approval for expansion of usage and indication for the usage of Gardasil 9 to include men and women 27 to 45 years of age[1]."

  1. ^ Yu, Bo Nancy; Woestenberg, Petra J.; Wheeler, Cosette M.; Tanton, Clare; Sparen, Pär; Sonnenberg, Pam; Söderlund-Strand, Anna; Steben, Marc; Smith, Megan A. (2019-06-26). "Population-level impact and herd effects following the introduction of human papillomavirus vaccination programmes: updated systematic review and meta-analysis". The Lancet. 0 (0). doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(19)30298-3. ISSN 0140-6736. PMID 31255301.

Can you provide a direct quote from this source that supports the text in question? I am just not seeing it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.fda.gov/media/117054/download

That was not the source you used. The source you used was https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30298-3/abstract How does that support the content you added? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is unclear to me is why there are no in detail discussions of the studies completed which FDA referenced in approving expansion of age for vaccination? Indeed they are primary sources, however these are the studies FDA utilized and referenced during approval. This was my goal with the addition of my initial edit and subsection, was to include the sources for studies which FDA referenced in their summary basis for regulatory action. In the current content of this article it references that FDA approved expansion of age and indication for Gardasil 9, but missing information and necessary discussion of how FDA came to approve vaccine implementation for females and males aged 27-45, which would entail discussing the clinical literature and findings.

First with respect to the Lancet? I am trying to figure out why you used that source? Was it simple a mistake? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:17, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

Hi Yalda22, please don't re-add content after it's been removed from an article. Whenever content is removed it's important to discuss the removal on the article's talk page or on the talk page of the other editor. Now as far as primary and secondary sources go, primary sources are things that are written by the people who were involved with the given research or event. Here's how the the guidelines on sourcing for medical articles describe them:

A primary source in medicine is one in which the authors directly participated in the research or documented their personal experiences. They examined the patients, injected the rats, ran the experiments, or at least supervised those who did. Many, but not all, papers published in medical journals are primary sources for facts about the research and discoveries made.

The issue with primary sources is that we need to have a secondary source that provides commentary (and if needed, context) on the primary source. In the process this secondary source will also help validate the work. Even if the source was written by a person or organization or put out by a publisher that was very well respected, the secondary source is still needed. This is something that is actually very important when it comes to things like studies and documentation of personal experiences, as it's entirely possible for an otherwise respectable person, organization, or publisher to put out faulty work. It's actually more common than you'd think, to be honest. Most publishers just look for errors that would immediately invalidate the work. They don't actually verify the content in any true depth, which a secondary source typically would. As far as this all goes in regards to the edits to the HPV vaccine article, I'll review that more closely before stating anything else. I just wanted to write about the above parts before addressing that. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Something else to add about primary sources as far as studies go, another thing to keep in mind is that they're very limited in their scope out of necessity. For example, they can't survey everyone - there just isn't enough time or money. As such, the study findings are really only applicable to the specific participants in the study. The findings may change depending on several factors such as culture, personal health (aside from what would eliminate them from the study), and so on, even if it doesn't seem like these things would make a huge immediate difference. (For example, an individual's culture may result in them being less forthright about some details.) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:34, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, upon review I see what happened. You used all primary source studies as sourcing. You also used a source that didn't back up the given claim. In order to back up a claim the cited source will need to explicitly state the claim. If it doesn't state the claim then it can't be added to the article, even if it looks like it's implied. In other words, if the source doesn't state "Garfield is a cat" and instead just says "Garfield is cat-like" then we can't say in the article that Garfield is a cat. Us making that statement would be seen as original research, which shouldn't be in the article.
Studies are something that should generally be avoided on Wikipedia unless you have a secondary source that covers the study or unless you can show that the study is very influential - however the catch of this last part is that if the study is influential it would have secondary coverage about it. Now you could potentially use the literature reviews if there are ones in the study, however you can't use any part of the review where they relate the literature to their study. This specific criteria makes it more difficult to find anything in the literature reviews that can be used.
What you need here is to find secondary, independent sourcing for the content. A good way of discovering this is to look for who uses it as a citation. Web of Science is a good resource for this. You can use Google Scholar, however that resource will bring up content that isn't always reliable. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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