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For consistency in the "Jack Baker (activist)" article, I would like to make these changes to the introduction:

  • Change James Michael McConnell to "Michael McConnell (born James Michael McConnell)"
  • Copy and paste that change throughout ALL Wikipedia files

Can this be done?

Reason: At a very young age, he informed his mother that he did not like the name James and would never use it. He goes by the name Michael McConnell and uses his first name ONLY for government documents. Y6f&tP4z (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If the name is sourced in published independent reliable sources, sure, do a search and go through and change it manually. Shearonink (talk) 20:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help[edit]

I would like to add a photo from the archives of the Minnesota Historical Society to this article. Their policy is Free Use, with credit. Is there someone who can work with me on making it happen? Y6f&tP4z (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Uploading images and Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries . Dru of Id (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Uploading images is not clear. What tag describes a non-free, historic photo requiring attribution to the Minnesota Historical Society? Y6f&tP4z (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Y6f&tP4z, according to MHS's website, the copyright will vary for each individual image. Could you link to the specific image you want to upload? Thanks, LegoKontribsTalkM 03:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please do not place or replace any non-free images to any pages except for actual articles, as you did at User:Y6f&tP4z/sandbox. Such use is a clear violation of point number 9 of our policy concerning the use of non-free images. Continuing to do so can be viewed as disruptive behaviour and you may be blocked from editing. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Baker (activist)[edit]

The Supreme Court, when asked to look at Baker v. Nelson, said no. They declined to consider it. They refused to hear it. Writing casually, we might say they refused to decide it. But actually they didn't even get that far. They said no at an earlier stage.

Next week, for example, the Court will hear/consider two same-sex marriage cases. In a few weeks, we'll find out if they want to decide them or not. They may say they have no jurisdiction or someone involved in the case lacks standing, or just bounce the case back to an Appeals court for further consideration. Those would be examples of the Supreme Court saying it didn't want to decide a case.

That Jack Baker (activist) still needs lots of work. Hope you'll help me delete the blather and add some better citations over time. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you are WRONG[edit]

You are mixing apples and oranges. In 1970, the law required the U.S. Supreme Court to accept an appeal from a state court that interpreted a federal statute. The U.S. Supreme Court accepted Baker v. Nelson. It reviewed the case, then entered its decision: "The appeal is dismissed for want of a substantial federal question." That is why courts say it is a binding opinion.

Your opinion that the court was "asked to look" at Baker v. Nelson, then "said no" is WRONG.[1] They accepted the case, then dismissed it. In plain English and legal accuracy, they refused to decide it.

I will not help you re-writing history. Please put my correction back. Y6f&tP4z (talk) 17:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. Notice how easy it is to be nice. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 21:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Special character for "comma"[edit]

How do I link directly to the heading "Adoption, name change, marriage" in the article Jack Baker (activist)?

The ASCII Table lists "2C" as the Hex equivalent of a comma, but the following link does not work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Baker_%28activist%29#Adoption%2C_name_change%2C_marriage

What am I doing wrong?

Reply from Help Desk:
It appears you want to create an external link from outside Wikipedia.
Use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Baker_%28activist%29#Adoption.2C_name_change.2C_marriage

Y6f&tP4z (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:McConnell (l) and Baker (r) apply for marriage license 19700518.png listed for deletion[edit]

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File:Shoes poster 1971.tif listed for deletion[edit]

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McConnell & Baker[edit]

Thank you for the update on the Michael McConnell and Jack Baker article. Is the court opinion cited available online? Is there a news article about it? I've been interested in the story since I heard them speak, bought the book, and took the photos used in the article. Jonathunder (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Q: Is the court opinion cited available online? A: No, perhaps in the future. See [2] "MPA Remote Minnesota Public Access (MPA) Remote offers access to case information via the internet for certain court records in the Minnesota Court Information System (MNCIS). The information is limited as described in the MN Rules of Public Access to Records of the Judicial Branch. Court documents cannot be viewed in MPA Remote at this time."

Q: Is there a news article about it? A: No. Perhaps because the owner of the StarTribune lives in Mankato, MN. Also, the county must pay attorney fees for both sides.

A: I can forward a PDF copy of the court's ORDER. Y6f&tP4z (talk) 13:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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McConnell & Baker[edit]

Note to @Paul2520:: you are WRONG

The Minnesota Supreme Court identified its decision as an OPINION because it was interpreting the U.S. Constitution. The court was not "ruling" on the state's constitution; ergo, the OPINION served as guidance to elected Clerks of the various District Courts to ignore such requests because, in its OPINION, denial of the statutory entitlement demanded by gay citizens to marry the adult of one's choice "does not offend the . . . United States Constitution".

At the time, a state's interpretation of federal law allowed a direct appeal to the high court. See Baker v. Nelson.

Y6f&tP4z (talk) 16:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure if that's the case that it shouldn't be all caps.
I am interested in the PDF you mentioned in the similar discussion above! = paul2520 (talk) 17:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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1. The court used all caps. Ergo, it's important to emphasize that it is the Court's OPINION, not mine.

2. See Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#1971 for the PDF that is available from the University of Minnesota Libraries.

Y6f&tP4z (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about this document? Where does it say "OPINION" in all-caps? Regardless, I think if a document uses all caps does not mean we want it formatted as such. = paul2520 (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Linda Greenhouse, "Wedding Bells", The New York Times (posted 20 March 2013); available online
  2. ^ http://www.mncourts.gov/Access-Case-Records.aspx

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1. NO. I'm referring to https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1971/43009-1.html.

2. For accuracy, the court should be allowed to speak for itself. Calling its "OPINION" a ruling does a disservice not only to the court but also to the public.

3. Perhaps clarify with a footnote? [OPINION is how the court titled its decision.]

Y6f&tP4z (talk) 21:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC). Y6f&tP4z (talk) 16:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

File:1973 Gay Pride.jpg [Request #2][edit]

I filed an Undeletion request to deliver a response to the original request for information.

- - - Reply #4
Reason: See [Ticket#2020092210007961]. A copyright lawyer concluded that "the copyright law of the United States does not prohibit anyone from posting [that] photograph online, or from creating and posting any derivatives."
Y6f&tP4z (talk) 11:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC), thread continued. --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 12:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC), clarify.
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Ankry replied: This is still a problem, that we need a legal basis for such an opinion. Why can you assume that another lawyer will not give an opposite one? Especially, if heirs of the photographer change their mind and claim copyright in several dozen years. See COM:PCP. Personally, I would not accept such opinion as a PD rationale. Ankry (talk) 10:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Ankry did not allow me to respond and to clarify why the applicable U.S.A. law does not justify the action that was taken. Instead, the discussion was closed abruptly.

Here is my response. It should be included in the Undeletion request and allowed to be debated and resolved by a neutral panel.
- - - Reply #5
1. Copyright law in the U.S.A. does not allow "heirs of the photographer [to] change their mind" because all of their rights "expired on December 31, 2002 per 17 U.S.C. § 303(a)." Please ask your attorney to explain the law cited in Alexander J. Farrell's memorandum, BEST & FLANAGAN law firm, Minneapolis [Ticket#2020092210007961].
2. Your "opinion" of "a [Public Domain] rationale" lacks merit because you did not cite a statute or case law to refute the opinion fully documented by the BEST & FLANAGAN law firm, Minneapolis.
3. It is "we" who is assuming "that another lawyer" may "give an opposite" opinion. The burden of proof rests with "we" to offer proof that another lawyer may justify why 17 U.S.C. § 303(a) is interpreted incorrectly.
4. Otherwise, I am left arguing with my attorney to justify "we's" opinion. When such proof is posted, I will send it to the BEST & FLANAGAN law firm, Minneapolis, for a response.
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I need help to appeal this denial of my request to Undelete a photograph whose copyright protection expired on December 31, 2002 per 17 U.S.C. § 303(a).

Y6f&tP4z (talk) 16:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC). Add clarity to the request Y6f&tP4z (talk) 20:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This provision is not commonly cited in copyright discussions that I've seen. Wikipedia is allowed to be more restrictive than the letter-of-the-law in deciding what content it will accept. If the photograph can be shown to have entered the public domain, you need to have the discussion on Wikimedia Commons, not here on Wikipedia. Freely licensed content belongs on Commons. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 21:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Conflict of interest[edit]

How to appeal action by Elizium23? For two reason deletion of this link is not justified.

Video by Logan Chelmo, "Honoring Rev. Roger Lynn". Posted on YouTube (2021-06-06).

1. From Elizium23's talk page (Friday, 11 June 2021) "I hereby disclose my affiliation with the following organizations

Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix
Knights of Columbus
Trilogy Education Services, a subsidiary of 2U (company)."

2. The deleted link is more relevant that the interview conducted 20 years after the events of someone who admits that she did not attend the events and was not even in Minnesota at the time of the events.

Scott Paulsen, "Twin Cities Gay and Lesbian Community Oral History Project", Minnesota Historical Society : "Interview with Koreen Phelps (1993-11-05)". Retrieved from Collections Online (2019-06-05 ). --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 11:57, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment #2[edit]

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As stated above, I disagree with your action to delete the link I posted. Before I invoke the dispute resolution processes, it would be helpful to understand why you insist that my reasons - (1) and (2) - do not justify re-posting of the link. --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment #3[edit]

Because Elizium23 appears to be unwilling to discuss the dispute, a third opinion is needed to decide if deletion was justified.

  • Description of dispute: May the link below be considered a reliable source? It includes an interview with a United Methodist minister about his involvement in an historical event in 1971 plus documentation from the public domain.
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Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Y6f&tP4z and cannot recall any prior interaction with the editors involved in this discussion which might bias my response. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here.

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Comment #4[edit]

I understand the rationale. Thanks. --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 11:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Looking for File:Gay_Pride . . .[edit]

How do I reach "File:Gay_Pride_march_by_Jim_Chalgren,_June_1973.jpg" to add context to unanswered questions? Y6f&tP4z (talk) 22:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does this link help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gay_Pride_march_by_Jim_Chalgren,_June_1973.jpg
There are probably other ways to get there. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 00:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help me![edit]

Please help me with... How do I link to only one of the many videos that are posted on YouTube? Y6f&tP4z (talk) 13:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:YOUTUBE and also WP:RSPYT; you can't just link to any video. I don't know much about the actual process so I'm leaving the request open. 331dot (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on what video you want to link to. If you want to use it as a citation, see the links 331dot replied with. What do you want to add and to what article? SWinxy (talk) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you.Y6f&tP4z (talk) 18:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help me![edit]

Please help me with... → This fn is cited as source material to prove actions that occurred in Canada. The letter from Rich North to Jack Baker is blocked by Wikipedia.

  • Letter from Rich North to Jack [Baker] & Mike [McConnell] (20 September 2004). Posted by Jack Baker on blogspot: "We now have equal marriage in Manitoba, and our efforts here were a direct result of your leadership in Minnesota."

→ Q #1: Is there a procedure for unblocking the link to that letter? Y6f&tP4z (talk) 12:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You would need an independent reliable source that reports on the contents of the letter. The letter itself cannot be used as a source, because it is a primary source. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

→ Q #2: To enable historical research, would it be permissible to attach a comment, e.g.?

  • Wikipedia requires an independent reliable source that reports on its contents. Copy-n-paste the link into a different browser to view the primary source.Y6f&tP4z (talk) 19:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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