User talk:Wikinovice1

April 2023[edit]

Please refrain from using talk pages for general discussion of this or other topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See the talk page guidelines for more information. Thank you. Acroterion (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpages are not for individual projects to prove someone's innocence through original analysis and combination of multiple threads that do not have currency in journalism or academic sources at large. Please read WP:SYNTH, WP:NOR,and WP:RS, as well as WP:FORUM and WP:RGW. Please confine your discussions to specific suggestions for article improvement following reliable sources.Acroterion (talk) 23:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of information has come out in the last 10 years. The settlement docs with Penn State have leaked, emails have been obtained. Interviews have been taken of those related such as Aaron Fisher's wife. AJ Dillon did his 3 year sting in which Andrew Shubin is on tape making up a fake claim explaining the scam. Openly. On tape. But let's take your point "not have currency in journalism or academic sources at large." One of my suggested links was in relation to the New York Times article on Matt Sandusky's suicide attempt. The New York Times flat out lied to its readers and Matt's conspirator wrote to state that what the New York Times wrote was wrong. The New York Times will never update their article. So just what is the mechanism to correct an article that is 100% wrong? As stated, Franco Harris went to his grave trying to get his first hand interview of Mike McQueary circulated which matches completely with showerboy's statement that he was not abused. Joe Paterno died imploring us to "find the truth." Franco Harris went to the grave putting his evidence out there so that the truth would not die with him. One could take a look at the innocence Project cases and it is clear that wrongful conviction and not rare. The evidence shows that this was a wrongful conviction and I think the wiki page needs to be updated to reflect all that has come out. This is 70 hours going through all that has come out in the last 10 years. It is very clear that Sanusky is 100% innocent and it is wrong to suppress the truth. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-one-the-date/id1562078872?i=1000517288672 I will be grateful for your help in property editing the record. Wikinovice1 (talk) 00:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of information has come out in the last 10 years. The settlement docs with Penn State have leaked, emails have been obtained. Interviews have been taken of those related such as Aaron Fisher's wife. AJ Dillon did his 3 year sting in which Andrew Shubin is on tape making up a fake claim explaining the scam. Openly. On tape. But let's take your point "not have currency in journalism or academic sources at large." One of my suggested links was in relation to the New York Times article on Matt Sandusky's suicide attempt. The New York Times flat out lied to its readers and Matt's conspirator wrote to state that what the New York Times wrote was wrong. The New York Times will never update their article. So just what is the mechanism to correct an article that is 100% wrong? As stated, Franco Harris went to his grave trying to get his first hand interview of Mike McQueary circulated which matches completely with showerboy's statement that he was not abused. Joe Paterno died imploring us to "find the truth." Franco Harris went to the grave putting his evidence out there so that the truth would not die with him. One could take a look at the innocence Project cases and it is clear that wrongful conviction and not rare. The evidence shows that this was a wrongful conviction and I think the wiki page needs to be updated to reflect all that has come out. This is 70 hours going through all that has come out in the last 10 years. It is very clear that Sanusky is 100% innocent and it is wrong to suppress the truth. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-one-the-date/id1562078872?i=1000517288672 I will be grateful for your help in property editing the record. Wikinovice1 (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the double post. OK I went and read the no original research. But where to you put Franco Harris just saying what his conversation was. No research, just him making a statement. Where to you put Allan Myer's V2's Letter to the Editor, his statement he voluntarily walked in and gave to Joe Amendola's investigator. There are just facts of the case that have been suppressed. So no research. Just people saying what happened. Wikinovice1 (talk) 00:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Until a consensus of reliable sources reports what you appear to want Wikipedia to report, Wikipedia will not report it either. If a reliable source takes up Harris's discussions in a focused manner, then it might be worth mentioning by reference to the secondary source. Harris's personal beliefs expressed through blogs or personal research are not admissible in themselves on Wikipedia. Wikipedia follows the mainstream media, it does not lead. Acroterion (talk) 00:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And you may consider yourself warned concerning the biographies of living persons policy, since you appear to be accusing a number of living individuals of lying or of fabrications. If you keep doing that, you may lose editing privileges. Acroterion (talk) 00:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thank you for the feedback. I am learning. Hopefully the evidentiary hearing May 25th will generate more discussion. It is such a fascinating subject. I got hooked on wrongful convictions when we had Dennis Fritz speak. He was the guy given a life sentence in the case that knocked John Grishiam to his core causing him to write "The Innocent Man." Have a nice night. Wikinovice1 (talk) 01:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You too. I recommend taking things slow and working on relatively uncontroversial topics for a while to absorb the ethos of the place, and to learn the rules. Working on matters concerning crime and living people is challenging for experienced editors at times, much less someone new to the many policies that grow from the crowdsourcing model. They're all there for a reason, and like many rules, a lot of them started because something went badly wrong until the rule was devised. Acroterion (talk) 01:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]