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Adoption[edit]

(In response to the Adoption post on my page) That would be great if I could be your adoptee. We do seem to have several common interests, and I do have several questions about how things work on Wikipedia (Mainly my experience has been limited to fixing typos and vandalism, or a few minor formatting errors.). Anyways, thanks, would love to. --Matthew Desjardins 18:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, adoption would be great! I'm not terribly active, but I think that may be just because I'm being cautious. I think someone experienced helping out would be great! Wedgiey1 (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I think I'm mostly good for general editing stuff, but it's probably good to start me from the beginning to make sure I didn't skip over some stuff. Thanks, can't wait. --Matthew Desjardins 22:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Response to Optional Task thing) Thanks, I'll just need a bit to think of something that doesn't already exist on the userbox list. Also, is there going to be something more planned for the tables page, or do you want me to just go over the help page for it? --Matthew Desjardins 23:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, just curious. --Matthew Desjardins 23:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the Userbox offer. I have one that I already have but would like to make several tweaks to; the Rubik's Cube one is nice, but the way the speedcubing link appears when visited (purple) makes it difficult to read with the background (green). I am trying to make my own, but I have a question about how you create a user-set parameter (for example, in my Rubik's Cube one, I can set the time displayed on the box). Also, is it possible to create two of those parameters-type things? --Matthew Desjardins 16:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I've been looking through some examples, and think I have it. Sorry... Thanks very much, though. --Matthew Desjardins 23:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll try to keep going. Hope you're feeling better some time soon. --Matthew Desjardins 20:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Re to rollback) Thanks. Yeah, I've been using Twinkle, but I'm trying Huggle out right now (a bit confusing, but fast to use). I haven't done the stub upgrade yet; I've only just found one that I have direct experience on. But I'll get to it. --Matthew Desjardins 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adoptee? Honored to.[edit]

After looking over your talk page, I'm honored to accept your offer to be my Wikipedia Mentor. Thank you very much, and talk to you later.

Comment: Your username: Marx and Ohbeewan are both interested in "progress". My username is Cpiral, and that is interested in direction. i.e. we good pair, eh?

I imagine my first assignment will be to improve my user page, make it more me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpiral (talk • contribs) 22:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I joined wikiproject Outines of Knowledge.
I'm in too deep, not knowing if you are here. Be There Do That (talk) 23:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By that I meant I'd joined a wikiproject I knew little about: Outlines (of Knowledge).
I'm in too deep if I know to little.
OTOH, On the Job Training is not "too deep", but sized to benefit both parties.
Quiply now, after perusing userbox lists, and finding few for a fine fit, 'twould seem the following:
 "This Contributor used to User"
is, for me, a sufficiently unique and true statement of my state.
However, as I now see you tasked me, I will pick some userboxes and put them on my home page.
Be There Do That (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've done much toward learning Wikipedia!

A tasteful, professional, respectable Wikipedian complimented me on the essay you asked me to write!

Please be patient with my CITE task. I have recently been doing many CITES but none qualified for your assignment. CpiralCpiral 00:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


It , citing, and many other things. I have been devoting entirely too much time to Wikipedia as far as my priorities in this reality must be

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RE:Adopter[edit]

I think I might be able to. I've completed part way of writing my adoption program. I'll leave a note at the user's talk page. Thanks! BejinhanTalk 02:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip. My adoption page(which is still under construction) is User:Bejinhan/Adoption/Beginner. Can you please do me a favor by taking a look at it and letting me know what needs to be improve? Thanks! BejinhanTalk 03:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Thanks very much! BejinhanTalk 03:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Good job[edit]

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For all your hard work in reverting vandalism! BejinhanTalk 13:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wedgiey1's Procedure Essay[edit]

5 Pillars[edit]

The 5 Pillars are very nice. They are short, concise, and easy to understand. For the most part I agree with them 100%; however, due to personal reasons, I am distraught that there is no room for information gleaned from interviews with witnesses or certified experts in a particular field. The only option a person has to make this information available to the masses would be by getting an interview published by a local newspaper. Probably not impossible, but quite a bit of work. I find the 'assume good faith' idea especially poignant and appropriate.

Manual of Style[edit]

The manual of style section is a beast of a exercise in teaching basic grammar. I think it needs a summary section that reads, "Do what your high school English teacher taught you." It is clear that a lot of time and effort went into creating that page, which is unfortunate, because I doubt it has been read by very many. Glancing through some of it, it is useful, quality information; however, it 'should' be largely unnecessary. I imagine most people will simply edit with good faith styling and wait on some of the more pickier users to come through and spruce it up, which I hope most people find completely acceptable.

Be Bold[edit]

The *Be Bold* article is what makes Wikipedia possible I think; at least the idea behind it is. The more people you have editing, the faster your content builds. Even if someone doesn't do very well citing their sources, someone else can come a long and do so, make it cleaner, re-format, add here, tweak there, and with enough people, in the end you get a very nice looking article. The more the merrier I say! Also, the articles inclusions of a "in a nutshell" header is great! Manual of style needs one!

Copyright[edit]

The Copyright section was really interesting. I was actually surprised at how much Wikipedia can get away with due to the circumstance in which they're using copyrighted material. I followed some of the internal links to read more on this topic, as I was very interested in the use of logos. The fact that Wikipedia provides a very nice and easy to use copyright blurb {{non-free logo}} is terribly convenient and easy on its users.

Wedgiey1 (talk) 18:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A tour de style[edit]

Please discuss these, for any reason, directly with the actual author. Press the discussion tab at the top of the page.

Collaborative Style[edit]

Collaboration software could be a new, governing, tool of democracy. It's being watched by the millions, and soon to be billions. Let's see how one "Wikipedia" displays its collaborated style, how it pans out, and let's see how their "voting" affected the content of four key articles.

Five Pillars[edit]

The Five pillars page is highly compact--almost screen-sized. Yum. Icons start sentences. The starting phrase of sentences a link five or six words long. A language box offers 260 languages. It is notworthy that when viewing other languages, the icon remains the same, but the linking has changed dramatically, as has the wording and paragraph size and aesthetic style. (Apparently many many tongues need MediaWiki, and don't need to be told the Five Pillars of collaborating online before they start contributing because, even without that tongue's Five Pillars article being as polished as the English version, they can "somehow" have many more articles than their Five pillars could seem to hold up.) Five Pillars is page-fit, iconic, simple, edible, and in English, the article repeats a theme and a style about how to write right: be moral, be supportable. The many hands polishing the page shows up in many places, but I noticed the six shortcuts arranged not in alphabetical order, but in hourglass; the constant tick of period and comma punctuation, partitioning-out perfectly compacted and polished prose, linked heavily, but linked in consideration of those readers who are scanning quickly. The links are easy to understand if you wish, and thus hide the subtle fact that any link is an invitation to complexity. A modicum of "easy and simple" the Five Pillars article's "simplified rules" link says that rule 12 is "ignore all rules".

The Edit warring policy document has a style fitting for its subject. It is not plain, direct, unambiguous, or specific, (despite policy and guideline style), but neither is a person who wisely practices "keep your enemies close". It has an unclear terminology and a harsh style. This is no doubt because the setting is the dust and smoke of war and wikilawyering. It starts off with saber rattling, and goes on in a style meant to thwart wikilawyering.

Manual of Style[edit]

Manual of style is wordy and long, unlike Five pillars. Because style refers to word style, wordiness and length is highly appropriate and acceptable here. Even so, the content per section is limited to managable chunks. Subpages hide intimidating volumes of information, yet keeps it "on the level" with the body of text, as a sidebar. Readers happily begin a perilous journey of "only twenty-five section"

Notable in the style of the style of styles is that this article starts with

  • a self concept: it is yet another Manual of Style in the field
  • a self categorization: it is a guideline
  • a self reference: use the namespace "Wikipedia:" to locate the manual of style
  • a self context: it offers an environment for similar need: an editing index

Recursively speaking, all these are good examples of style by example in a style manual. And it ends with 'six' sections of fashion: Links, Misc., Notes, Further Reading...

Be Bold[edit]

The "Be Bold" Wikipedia off with yet another kind of banner--an "If you're Lost" signpost, complete with a set of possible intended destinations for these cyber-folk . It has the usual Guidelines box, but it also has something unique: a logo for the article frames the lead paragraph with the Guidelines box. The style of the Be Bold article is bold. I would not, until now, have dared to start a section title with an ellipsis, the way it displays "...but please be careful". The page is so often degraded it has three times the average number of watchers.

Copyright[edit]

Copyright is colorful, like the colorful and dangerous creatures in nature. It uses a light pink background to attract attention. The page is locked, with the obvious icon, and the normal "edit this page" tab is displaying "view source" instead; also there, in the very start of the article is a box containing the often seen words "Changes made to it should reflect consensus." All this beautifully echos a common theme: danger.

Summary[edit]

All the articles whose style was reviewed here, have been shaped by many hands over many years. They are also all guides in nature, and supposedly shaped by experts who know the landscape. What is most revealing about this tour of style study is the way the articles style reflects the article's subject in a linguistic relativity. They did not have to prove linguistic relativity, but the article about words' style was wordy, the article about protection was colorful and locked, the article about boldness had a crazy logo, and the article about the foundation was short and wide. These developments are not accidental, although they may have been subconscious; they are a result of the natural mental tendency to find what we seek and to create our own reality.

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Marx01, I was laughing so hard, I think that should be a rule. Don't post something on Wikipedi if you are laughing so hard about it that you feel woozy while you push the button. Wait. Take a deep breath, relax, review... then post. I'm very sorry. And very lucky to have you as a mentor.

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Ummm... what?![edit]

I don't quite know what to make of your recent edits to my talk page. I find them unnecessarily provocative to say the least. 01:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.220.102 (talk)

I have reported this to WP:ANI#Totally unprovoked personal attack. 71.182.220.102 (talk) 01:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marx01, I am glad you realized that your comment to the IP were bitey and inappropriate, and have apologized. IMO the dispute should end at this point. A quick note: You should not strike out or edit other users' comments from talk pages or noticeboards, as you did here, except under very narrow exceptions outlined in the talk page guidelines; I assume this was a simple oversight and am adding this note just for future reference. Happy editing! Abecedare (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar.
Yes, we all make mistakes sometimes, and that's fine as long as we are ready to admit the errors and apologize, and also forgive others when their conduct is non-ideal. After all we are here to enjoy and contribute to the project and not to stress ourselves or others. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wedgiey1[edit]

Hey Marx01! Went to look at my adoption page and it's gone :( Have I been put into foster care? Was hoping we could pick up where we left off; I saw you were sickly and figured that's where you were. I was wondering if you could also look at the Conway, Arkansas article for me. I've made some edits to it in an attempt to get it up to a B-Class article, but would like an objective opinion on it. Also, if you're still up for leading me along, I'd like to look at images next.

Thanks!Wedgiey1 (talk) 19:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnstar[edit]

The Helping Hand Barnstar
Thank you for helping me through a tough row on two talk pages and with a subpage vandal. You have been an amazingly caring, involved and cheerful mentor for me Marx01. CpiralCpiral 02:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marx01, since this is award text, the questions are rhetorical.

Since you have been on Wikipedia for a good while, certainly you understand that the type of recent engagements that have been made between me with the others are both poor and tolerated. Please tolerate me because I am doing the best that I can. Please forgive me for my apparent need to get into the gears. I honestly care about everything and have no idea why or how I get into trouble. But I'm going to forgive myself. :-)

This is a rock grinding machine. As you know, stay clear until you are ready to add rock.

Not to make comparisons, but I just saw an incorrigible user get blocked. I'm correctable. I am expressive. I'm too loud at times. Why are people like me tolerated? Why was that "incorrigible" vandal and buffoon treated with respect on it's talk page and urged to make amends and contribute? Why are there barnstar awards for being a reformed Wikipedian? Why was the prodigal son celebrated? Why? Because when we improve, there is a newly created a path, and the cartoon gets, what is that, a mark? Yes, a cartoon with a wrinkle. A real cartoon. For example, I now have learned very well why and how we have biases and that we all have them, and that it's OK. I found out the hard way, and have tied neutrality and reliability to bias in a new way for anyone to read on my discussion page. The day before that I cemented a new resolve not to second guess and third person things, and that was for the sake of returning to a simple enjoyment of life. You as much said to. These are new wrinkles just in time for me. And it's not that my wrinkles are haggard and a drop in spirit, but that they are a rise in existing dimensions for your attention.

I cannot now say that I would recommend to just anyone to seek such "fringe" knowledge to "widen" themselves. Mainland Wikipedia knowledge is just fine for size forever, thank you. But I can pretty well guess that everyone at one time or another will need to strive to walk in confidence, head high, eyes wide open, having found themselves in trouble. The finest islands are for the most adaptable.

I believe the reason for Wikipedia's tolerance for such engagements (as sadden me and sicken me to be involved with), is simply that they are part of life. The book Life101 (New York Times bestseller for two months, by John-Roger and Peter McWilliams) put it this way:

[Master Teachers are] some of the most potentially powerful learning tools in our lives: mistakes, guilt, resentment , pain, stubbornness, addictions, disease, death, depressions, overweight, emergencies — all the things that most people could if they would eliminate.

I'm not saying Wikipedia intends anything by their extremely tolerant policies beyond getting a very, very large collaborative encyclopedia project into full flower. But Life101 has a way of going everywhere.

If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.--Henry David Thoreau

CpiralCpiral 04:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Re:Heyy![edit]

Hey! I'm doing great. Not very active here(I think I'm more active in the IRC channels :p) but still doing some steady editing. I have 2 adoptees now. One of them 'disappeared' and the other one has not yet started on her tasks. Btw, do you know that Gaia has semi-retired? BejinhanTalk 05:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I actually found it quite strange she did not reply to any of our questions. IRC? Internet Relay Chat. Wikipedia has a number of channels in there. Same here also. I just browse through Recent Changes and look out for any vandalism and stuff like that. I'm going to start working on the Malaysia article soon and that will take some time. There is some copyright problems with some of the images there. :) BejinhanTalk 02:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Request for protection[edit]

Thank you for the message you left on my user page. When I processed the protection request in question, it appears that I misunderstood and incorrectly presumed that the issue had been resolved when another admin blocked the most recent serial vandalizer, 71.116.225.127 (talk · contribs · block log). However looking at Karl Marx, I see that John Vandenberg (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) caught and corrected my mistake, as the article is now semi-protected. Sorry for any confusion on my part, and please let me know if you have any other questions or issues. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 14:39, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Religion test[edit]

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Any 2 Astronomy Articles[edit]

Hi Marx01. I am interested in improving those astronomy articles. I just want to know how many other users already did so? Because I am currently pretty busy, and dont want to start with something if it is already done! :) Kind regards, LouriePieterse 07:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Animals[edit]

Are you still and Active participant of WikiProject Animals WP:ANIMALS ? Please let me know. ZooPro 05:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply i will keep you informed. ZooPro 07:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be so kind as to help me reduce this list [1]. Would be appreciated. ZooPro 01:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Thanks for your kind and encouraging words. I will take note about what you said about communicating more with other users. All the best, Nimbusania talk 08:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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