User talk:Sundar/ArchiveD

India, Indian Navy article

The section on Indian military in the India article need to be expanded. This is a main article and hence the Military information need to be precise. Requesting your help in expanding it. Also the Indian Navy article need to be copyedited. Thanking you. Chanakyathegreat 04:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Scope of India project

Sundar, Have posted this at Nichalp's talk page as well. Need your advise. I am assuming you followed the discussion on WT:INB about adding a pre-independence parameter to the India project banner so that it will represent the Indian-subcontinent. User:Szhaider feels we are claiming the history of South Asia for ourselves. He wants these articles to be under the scope of newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject History of South Asia. He created this project and he is the only member. He is engaging in edit war by removing the India project banners from articles that are tagged as Indian-history related. I would like your advise about how to proceed, should I report this to WP:ANI, or should India project scope be limited to only-post-indepedence articles since this user feels Pakistani Wikipedians will be offended seeing Ashoka Chakra and India project links on the article tag pages (For example: Talk:Taxila). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Werdnabot

I setup the Werdnabot archival for you. I was not sure about the bot parameters. Do edit the page and set the params yourself. Like whether you want unreplied comments to be archived or not. Right now it is set not to archive. When the ArchiveD fills up, you will need to manually set the bot to write to ArchiveE. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Tamil people in FAR

Hello Sundar. Tamil people has been brought to FAR. Please be there and comment. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been copyediting it. I will look into the citation issues as well. Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 23:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Tamil people revert warring

Hi Sundar, hope things are fine with you. I just noticed that there has been a lot of revert warring over some Ayyavazhi issue on this article. Could you take a look? [1]I haven't been a part of it, but I think it needs to be resolved. Thanks. Cribananda 02:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I hadn't realized the issue had been discussed extensively already. I went through the discussion. Again, I'm not very sure what position to take myself. While I don't deny it's notable, which articles to include it in is debatable. It seems to me like the people that keep inserting it are here with an agenda, and that doen't help. Anyway, thanks again. Cribananda 07:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki bot

Hi! I noticed that you are listed as running an interwiki bot here. If it is still active, and you are editing alphabetically, please visit WikiProject Interwiki, which I created as a project to coordinate the bots to decrease overlap. If you like the idea, sign up there and visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Interwiki to let me know you'll join up. You can also say that you're working on a section in User:ST47/WikiProject Interwiki/Assignments, then follow the directions there when you've finished. If the sections I've made are too large, feel free to split one up. Thanks! ST47Talk 11:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Will you have a look at my today's comments on Hinduism?

Will you have a look at my today's comments on Hinduism? ---- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swadhyayee (talk • contribs) 13:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Nayanar

I contacted user:Ganeshk with a request for assistance. He recommended me to come to you. How many articles on Nayanars do you think we have on en-wiki? I have translated two from en to hindi (Tirunavukarassar and Manikkavasagar) and one from hindi to english (Kotpuli). O and it it pronounced Nayanar (last "a" like in murmur) or Nayanaar ("a" as in guitar)? The first option would be "नयनर" and the second "नयनार" in hindi. Guessing by my pronounciation, I have used नयनार (emphasis on last "a") on hindi wiki, but it wont be too hard to change it.Kingrom^T 01:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Its ok I found a site with all 63 [2]. The one issue is pronounciation of the "zh" sound, we speak a highly sanskritized Tamil at home so I dont know that and a few others.Kingrom^T 00:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Madurai

I saw your name around and about the article on Madurai (a wonderful town) and other Tamil Nadu articles and thought I would drop by to compliment you on your work here. Keep up the good work and happy new year to you. Grace Note 11:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Dravidian people

Hi Sundar, I know that you are on Wikibreak, but your page says you will be coming back soon. If you have the time an inclination, there is a dispute at Dravidian people (and also Tamil people that could use your mediation skills (if you care to use them). What is needed is a calm voice of reason. Unfortunately some of my buttons have been pushed, and so I may not have the requisite patience to deal with the situation. --BostonMA ^talk 04:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back!

Hi Sundar. Good to see you coming back. You may be interested in this. Thanks Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 20:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

hi

I've kind of hit a stumbling point with the "zh" thing. Do you have a better phonetic pronounciation for that, or even better do you know if you can write it in Hindi? From what I know Kazhagham is clser pronounced to Kayyagam, but I have poor Tamil reading skills.^T*^E*^H Kingrom 16:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks but for right now I'll probably just skip the "zh" people until I better understand the sound. I have 21 pages created and one (Your namesake) will soon be up on Hindi DYK. I'm starting off with stubs built off this template. I'd also like to wish you and your family a happy (though belated) Pongal.^T*^E*^H Kingrom 01:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Coimbatore

Hello, on your user site I saw that Tamil is your mother tongue. I hope you can help me with my question concerning the Tamil spelling of Coimbatore. In the English Wikipedia, the Tamil name of Coimbatore is given as கோயம்பத்தூர் (which translates into Kōyampattūr if I'm not mistaken) while the Tamil Wikipedia says கோயம்புத்தூர் (i.e. Kōyamputtūr). Which name is the correct (or more common) one and why? Thanks in advance for your help! Regards--Young Pioneer 14:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Happy Birthday Sundar! =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you still editing on WP? When will you return from your wikibreak? =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Happy birth day. Same question as Nichalp.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar. Very Happy Birthday. I remember those wonderful moments in Bangalore on 29th September, 2006 when we met Jimmy and cruising along with you in Bangalore. I am looking forward to meeting you in Chennai during the WikiCamp 2007]. --Bhadani 17:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

(Editing without signing in) Looks like I'll return to some level of editing soon, like 2 weeks. Thanks for all your wishes, friends. I'm looking forward to meeting you, Bhadaniji. -- 124.125.99.247 15:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

WPW newsletter

The Writing systems WikiProject Newsletter Issue I - December 2006
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Hi Sundar, from Sudharsan

Hi Sundar, Just wanted to drop in and say a big 'Hi' to you :-) I am Sudharsan, we had met during the Wikicamp Unconference in Chennai. Nice to see you here, let me know if there are pages we can work together. Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 18:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

Happy Holi !!--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

Congratulations Sundar, for having made it to the newspapers. You were mentioned in today's print edition (Chennai) of The Hindu for your exploits with the Tamil wiki: [3]. Keep up the good work -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 15:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar. I am looking forward to more personal interaction with you, may be through e-mails. --Bhadani 19:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 21:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)^{talk to me}

a new library on practical knowledge

Good evening Sundar

I was in Madurai last month and I read an article about you in the press. I thought you might be interested by the project we launched earlier this year: www.howtopedia.org. It is a collaborative platform for practical knowledge and simple technologies, i.e. technologies that require no complex machine, that are easily explainable and usable by individuals or small communities for a sustainable and ecological future.
The idea is to create an empowering documentation for individuals and organisations who are trying to set up projects.
We are starting to collaborate with small organisations in India, Africa and South America. Maybe do you have ideas how to let the community grow around this project!
Hoping that you will find some interest in the project,
All the best for yours,
Maud Châtelet info at howtopedia dot org Chamalda 16:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Madras Tamil and Dappan koothu

Sundar, I request you to keep an eye on these two articles. User:Sarvagnya has tagged both with OR, notability and/or AfD tags. I am personally not that worried if dappankuthu doesn't survive AfD, since I can always recreate it when better references become available. But Madras Tamil is a totally serious article and took a lot of collaboration to come up to its usefulness. I have removed his tags and explained on article talk page. I would appreciate it if you could keep an eye on these two articles for a few days. I have been very busy in real life with work, and haven't checked my watchlist for months. I found out about the two articles quite by accident today and cleaned up the best I could. I am a little concerned that it was the same user who hit two closely related articles with OR and AfD tags within a short interval: please watch for targeted attacks on related pages. -- Brhaspati\^talk/_contribs 03:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language article

Hi Sundar,

I just observed that somebody has nominated the Tamil article for FAR. I have had some misgivings about the article myself for some time now. But nothing that you or Arvind wouldnt have been able to address. I've been meaning to ping you or Arvind about it for some time now, but either I've been busy with other things or you and Arvind have been inactive. Not to mention, I am a hopeless procrastinator myself and that has contributed too.

I particularly have some misgivings about some prose which the three of us added after a long discussion. I'm not too concerned about the content there, but my concern is that the prose is very confusing. Infact, I had also mentioned it once during the course of our discussions. You then went ahead and made the changes and I somehow, never got around to take another look with a fresh pair of eyes.

Now this FAR seems to have precipitated things for us and I thought I should ping you before I made any statement on that FAR talk page. And then, I'd imagine, the editor who has nominated it for FAR would have his own questions to pose too. I guess its time for you and Arvind to come out of hibernation for a while :). btw, can you ping arvind if you find him anywhere. Last time I checked, he's a little hard to find. :) Sarvagnya 09:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language FAR

Tamil language is in featured article review.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar, I'd like to do my bit with the dashes. But I am not sure, I understand it fully. Do I just need to replace all the "-"(the minus sign on the keyboard) in the article with the "–" in the Insert section below(under the edit summmary box)? Is that all that it is? Sarvagnya 08:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Bharathanatyam

Hello Sundar, I would like you to see this article and check the edit wars. Also, please tell me what is the procedure to deal with 'verify' tags. A user has inserted two verify tags along with OR and disputed tags. Please guide me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Praveen pillay (talk • contribs) 15:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Devadasi

There is a conflict brewing between two users who look to be Tamil. They seem to be arguing about Vellala and Mudaliars, and which caste gives up Devadasis. Since you are actually from Tamil Nadu, I was hoping you would be able to comprehend what these two are arguing about. A summary can be found at User_talk:Bakasuprman#Summary_of_Devadasi_arguments and the big showdown is at Talk:Devadasi.Bakaman 01:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Tamil language is a FARC.

Please help with the references, if you can. Thanks. --Natkeeran 20:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Sundar, Tamil language is in FARC. If we don't act together to fix perceived problems, it will lose the FA status. Please take a look.--Aadal 13:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sivaji: The Boss

Hey as you are a Tamil language admin, I request you to rate the article, Sivaji: The Boss.

Many Thank You s'!

Cheers

G Ganesh 21:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, oh...

I neither have an idea for how to handle it nor the formal education in linguistics to boldy edit the article, but obviously a quite senseless and damaging struggle has been started at Tamil language and Kannada language, including the question "which is the older language" -- which doesn't even makes sense in comparative linguistics.

I've already seen your efforts to guide the discussion, but doubt a complete success.

Perhaps it would help to create more subarticles, for the differnt epochs of Tamil, the reconstructed protolanguages, etc and get the content settled there.

Pjacobi 08:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Have a happy and prosperous Tamil New Year -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 08:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you and your family members. --Bhadani (talk) 09:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year Sundar! Please take a look at the Tamil language FARC. We're not still there. We want to keep our FA in the new year! Tony has suggested that I try and book you and Arvind for a few hours. I'll seek extra time. I tried to solicit help from the league of copyeditors as well. There are only a few tags and I believe I can fix them. Sorry to bother you when you're on vacation!--Aadal 19:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the wishes Plane, Bhadhaniji, and Aadal. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 13:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Copy Editing Tamil language

Hey Sundar, Puthandu nalvalthukkal! I redid my minor copy editing. I changed the some of the references (web) to the "{cite}}" method. I thought it was the standard way of doing it. Anyways, I am sorry if caused some problems. :) Praveen 14:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar for pitching in. Do you think Tamil language will retain FA status?--Aadal 19:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

art

romanisation of tamil--Ravishankar 10:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Copyediting

Your welcome! Not only should the Indian Wikipedian community create Feature articles, but we also have to maintain them. Best wishes Gizza^{Chat ©} 12:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hey brother! How are you? Just saw in India quiz. Where are you now? Still in Yahoo? --Dwaipayan (talk) 10:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Sundarbot

Welcome! Good to see your bot back in action. -- Ganeshk (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Bot

Your bot re/introduced vandalism here. Just a heads-up. Voretus 21:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Sundar! Good see you back. Saw your message on Talk:Tamil language. We need you and Arvid here. There are so few editors with interests in Tamil related topics. Even the few remaining ones are getting frustrated by such activity. See this for example. 'Pompous' Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 05:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Wrong interwiki

Hi. I'd just like to mention that in this edit, Sundarbot correctly added a Thai interwiki link but incorrectly added a Russian one. The film in question (which is considered a very sophisticated and influential one) was released in 1967, while the film in the Russian article (which has the same title) is a porn film released in 1994. I wonder if anything like that can be prevented in the future... maybe making it search for release years in the case of film articles (there's usually a category at the bottom)? Esn 08:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Vannakam

Just my 2 cents, First RA's Arbcomm and now this ANI. Both of you are experienced admins and have been around, so that’s what surprises me (pardon me for saying it) regarding this. Issues are really an open and shut cases but the leg work has been poor. I once spent 2 weeks researching the comments of a disruptive editor for 6 months in an arbcomm case that went favorably, I was merely helping out but I learnt a lot from the lawyer (in real life) who initiated that case. Wikipedian has given Wikipedia ample, ample, ample material to get him banned (that is evidence galore). Wikipedain's tone according to many (again evidence) is allegedly one of the most flippant, brash and uncivil in nature that has been seen in South Asia specific editors who is not a vandal or a troll, apparently showing a total lack of respect for fellow human beings let alone Wikipedians. That means there is a lot of evidence, that although may be self apparent to you and others is not to other admins unless pointed out (hard work, research and evidence gathering). The goal of conflict resolution has to be a reformed Wikipedian who can check their emotions and pov’s and edit collaboratively or a banned Wikipedian, nothing in between, but a half hearted attempt only emboldens pov pushers. Taprobanus 12:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Chennai

Hi, I just noticed that the history of Chennai page has a paragraph about Chennai being an integral part of Andhra region and was transferred to Tamil Nadu due to political compulsions. I am not sure if that is factually and historically correct, and in any case, that paragraph cites no evidence to support it. It seems to be purely someone's opinion. Is there a way I can remove it? I raised that point in the article's discussion....hope someone will clarify the stands --Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan 12:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC) PS. Back from your wikibreak? -Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan

mgr & karunanidhi

i have put the picture that you requested in the karunanidhi page.....Kumarrajendran 13:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Biasing of Indian articles

Dear Sundar,

I am requesting your assistance in dealing with a user who routinely biases indian articles by interweaving discredited colonial theories, original research, and fanwank.

• He has knitted together 3 maps (2 of which are inaccurate and mischaracterized) and stated that the indo greeks ruled all over northern india and parts of Maharashtra (debunked and discredited colonial theories) [[4]]
• He has rejected compromise and reneged on agreements.
• He has committed original research violations by interpreting primary sources directly and has created inaccurate maps that he changes at his own whim)[[5]]
• He has wrongly credited foreign influences on india ranging from astronomy (he originally wrote that the greeks gave india astronomy) to mahayana buddhism
• He wrote that the greeks helped chandragupta conquer the nandas (contradicted by eminent scholars)
• He engages in fanwank (i.e. Yamuna page where he insists that seleucus' campaigns be mentioned, even when he did not reach the yamuna, simply because people who like greek history--as he does--would find that interesting. Must we add the british, dutch, and turkish discoveries as well?)

As such, I would greatly appreciate your assistance. If you could please add your support in my appeal to the wikipedia administration in correcting the Indo Greek article (which he rules as a personal fiefdom), that would make a big difference. His work is quietly diluting the accuracy and quality of indian articles, and I truly hope we can put end to that. Users vastu, pavanapuram,windy city dude, and mahitgar have already called that contributor's practices into question. Your assistance and voice would be welcome. Thank you for your time and understanding.

Regards,

Devanampriya 22:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Good to see you're back Sundar. I hope you stick around. Don't worry about the bully. He is being given enough rope.

I'm currently very busy with personal commitments and so unable to spend a lot of time editing. Hopefully I will recover the time and enthusiasm soon. I would like to elevate Tamil Nadu and Tamil literature article to FA standards sometime soon. We have a very enthusiastic and knowledgeable editor in Lotlil. I think we can work together in this project. What do you think?

Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 23:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there, your polite edit summary caught my eye; noticed that you'd returned. Also remembered that the last time we'd met, you were trolling about some supposed sockpuppetry on my part. Well, the latest is that people were still trolling as of about 12 hours ago here. And again, I had to dig for the evidence that there was no wrongdoing whatsoever on our(me and G) part. I just thought I'll drop a copy for your perusal. Here it is. Thanks and have a nice day. Sarvagnya 06:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

And oh, btw, would you mind telling me which citation # uses the "tolkappiyam ilampuranar uraiyudan" book? Sarvagnya 07:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[6] Sarvagnya 09:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar. Most of those references were actually used when the article was written. At some stage, I took out most references to "native" grammars of Tamil to forestall objections and claims of OR, POV and the suchlike, which were coming fast and thick. I still think it's probably safer if we stick to "western" grammars of Tamil. I have a copy of Pope, plus a couple of other shorter descriptions of Tamil grammatical. Let me know which bits you think need citing, and I'll add them in.

I must say I'm also a little perplexed by the suggestion that only references that've been cited should be in the "References" section. This is absolutely contrary to encyclopaedic practice - the references list in a typical longer Britannica article, for example, doubles up as a list of suggestions for further reading. One would have thought that the English Wikipedia, if it aims to be a serious rival, would want to do something of that sort, but I've long since given up trying to find logic in its policies. -- Arvind 12:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Done! -- Arvind 08:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Re the edits to Tamil people: my understanding is that many SL Muslims believe themselves to be descended from Arabs; but the extent to which this belief is actually true is a more complex issue. This is all too complicated for a summary mention in the Tamil people article (it belongs in Sri Lankan Muslims), so I agree with your reverting it to a simpler formulation. -- Arvind 08:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Cpedit

Sundar, I'm done with adding most of the text content to the Economy of ancient Tamil country article. We can start looking at the prose/flow issues that you had mentioned in the review. Thanks. Lotlil 05:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sundar, Sorry to hear about your loss. I was busy at work the last few days and couldn't spend much time here, either. Hope to be back in a day or two. Lotlil 13:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)