User talk:Shui Yuena

Cheloniology moved to draftspace[edit]

An article you recently created, Cheloniology, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. New articles generally need at least two (but preferably more) references from reliable sources that are independent of the subject that discuss the subject with significant coverage (trivial mentions do not contribute to notability).^{(See Rule 42)} Information that can't be referenced to reliable sources should be removed from the draft because verifiability is necessary for information added to Wikipedia.
I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of Draft: before the article title) where you can work on the article with minimal disruption from other users while you improve it.
When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready to be published, you can move it back to the article space yourself. However, I recommend that instead of moving it yourself that you follow the prompts on the Articles for Creation template that I have added to the page. This submits the article to be reviewed by experienced editors that specialize in helping new editors write their first articles. Edaham (talk) 02:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

above notice[edit]

Hi I've noticed while reviewing the Cheloniology article that despite the fact that the article is old, and was previously a redirect, you have revived it. This means that I might have moved it to draft space while you were editing it as it doesn't yet contain any sources. Don't worry, as soon as the article is properly sourced with citations, it can be moved back to the main space by following the instructions on the template I placed at the top of the article. Sorry for any inconvenience caused and thanks so much for your contributions. Regarding the notable people section I removed that as uncited for the moment, there should be a citation for each of those people. Edaham (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, as the article is currently quite short, can you possibly suggest things within it that I can cite? At the moment, without the "notable people" section, the article only consists of a description. What can I cite within it? Or was your meaning that I should add more content to the page so that I can cite other things? 谢谢你帮助我，我很感激。Shui Yuena (talk) 02:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. In answer to your question, yes, I'd like to help. I think this is an article which deserves attention. I've put some sources here Draft talk:Cheloniology. Why don't you take a look through them. Edaham (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

one point I'd like to make is that we aren't a dictionary. So our article should go beyond just defining the word. In this case that's an easy thing to do. We can talk about What kind of things a testudinologist does, why they do it and what kind of tools they use to overcome their many challenges as well as some of the frontiers they are trying to push into. We could break these down into categories or sub-headings like this:
- Specialist study
  - What do they do?
  - How to they identify and categorize species?
- Conservation
  - What reports do they make about numbers and so on?
  - What findings have they made regarding threats/solutions?
- Challenges
  - What difficulties do they face? (as I know very little is known about what they do and where they go after they come to beaches to lay eggs)

Hope this give you some ideas! I'll try to pop back from time to time and see if I can add anything, although I'm not even remotely educated in this field. The categories and cross-referenced wikiprojects on the talk page will help to attract more knowledgeable editors. Edaham (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I will definitely be utilizing your advice. Shui Yuena (talk) 02:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have another question if that's alright. I have added to the draft page. One section that I added was the "Research organizations" section. Should I create external links to each organization's website? I was reading something at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking that said that only necessary external links should exist. I don't know what to do. Should I add links or not? Thanks! Shui Yuena (talk) 17:23, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From my perspective, I think the content would be better discussed at Herpetology, which gives better context. I doubt Cheloniology will expand beyond a mere dictionary definition in the near future. Batrachology is a rather poor article that should be merged to Herpetology. Ophiology is an even worse article that should be merged to Herpetology. We don't need a separate article for every word in the dictionary, and the sub-disciplines of herpetology are not rigidly constrained. Per the adivce above, virtually the same information applies to students of salamanders, snakes, and saurians. I think all "-ologies" of reptiles and amphibians should be combined and discussed until the point when quality, non-redundant text exceeds the capacity for a single article, per WP:SIZESPLIT. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, and there are way too many permanent stubs. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that perspective. I agree with you and think it's a good idea to keep it in draft space until it expands to become a high mid-level article with solid references. I think WP:DUE is a significant policy to consider here. If there's a massive amount of studies being done on snakes, then the Ophiology article should definitely fork away from Herpetology article. If it's just being used as a place holder containing a dictionary definition then you can place the merge suggestion tag on it, if it hasn't been done already. Edaham (talk) 03:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Cheloniology (January 5)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Joe Decker was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The sourcing issue is the most obvious, and is non-negotiable.

A more difficult second problem is making this entry be something more than more or less a dictionary definition, our WP:NOTDICT policy explains why that's a limit. The sources, sources which discuss Cheloniology in depth. The relevant policy requiring that is WP:GNG.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Cheloniology has been accepted[edit]

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