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Porvoo map[edit]

Hi, you could you please edit commons:File:Porvoo-t.svg to make the Balearic Islands yellow, since they're part of Spain? I tried doing it myself, but my knowledge of Inkscape is limited, and I couldn't figure out how to turn them yellow without turning all the rest of Europe yellow too. Thanks! —Angr (talk) 15:36, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see. I'll fix it tomorrow. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 20:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Constellation Family[edit]

Thank you for your input on saving the article. The article was kept. Kindest regards to you and an additional thanks for your other astronomical article inputs over time. Thor Dockweiler (talk) 20:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Be welcome! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Legend for List of Stars tables in various Constellations[edit]

Hello, once again. I created a template and have put a footer legend to the star list table for the first 5 constellation articles (Andromeda, Antlia, Apus, Aquarius, Aquila). Done to help provide info for those that print out articles or to provide further explanation. Just soliciting your opinion before I go to the effort of putting it on all of the constellations. For example, see List of stars in the constellation Andromeda. Kindest astronomical regards, Thor Dockweiler (talk) 05:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! I noticed it is inserted as a template, which is a most practical thing. I give my blessings. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 07:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editor Richardbooth from the Arabic Language talk page[edit]

Hello, I just saw your note here about user Richardbooth and thought I'd explain in more detail my reason for calling him a vandal.

  1. It started with this edit. Turns out that there's no evidence that the book Arabic: A Nebulous Nature by Michael Zwierzanski ever existed. Further I found no evidence that Zwierzanski ever taught at Brown much less became a Professor Emeritus there.
  2. Later at this same article he wrote this. Again a book whose existence could not be confirmed. (But with a title like A Quintessential Handbook in the Study of Arabic Whimsy it was pretty clearly a hoax.)
  3. He then added this edit about Zwierzanski being at the Potsdam Conference which is clearly nonsense. But leads to the next point:
  4. Here Richardbooth claims that Zwierzanski graduated from a high school that didn't open till 1971 and yet was involved in the Potsdam Conference during WWII.
  5. And then this edit about Zwierzanski and Nixon which again is full of several instances of nonsense.
  6. More
  7. This rather bizarre redirect here
  8. Again with the Zwierzanski silliness here
  9. An odd edit here

I think Zwierzanski was a real person and if I recall correctly did do some work in Arabic languages but, again if I remember correctly, never published any books on the subject. There were a few good edits during this time and plenty of good ones before this but clearly something happened and Richardbooth began this hoax largely surrounding Michael Zwierzanski. Actually doing a quick Internet search now I'm not sure this Zwierzanski is even a real person (I didn't take notes from when I vetted his edits before).

I didn't warn him then or report any of this to admins because several months had passed before I looked into all this and he hadn't edited since then (and still hasn't). SQGibbon (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What a troll! OK, he vandalized some little, but my impression of the guy is that he's inactive amd either bored or up for "fun", which isn't quite fun in real reality. I remember giving a friendly warning comment to an immature guy that inserted fantasy religions, and I remember a few of my first edits being destructive and stupid, but I changed my attitude. Just as a few examples. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I guess what really got me is that the editor kept coming back to insert more of this Zwierzanksi stuff. Started in April of 2009, came back May of that year, started it up again in May 2010, and then finally again in November 2010. And then it wasn't until February 2011 that anyone noticed anything on the Arabic Language page. Other editors eventually caught most of his other edits but they were well-written enough to fool people giving only a cursory glance. In fact I had even read over the stuff on the Arabic Language article and it didn't strike me as a hoax. In other words there's a bit of persistence there even if spread out over a long time. Anyway, if he starts it up again at least we have a record of the evidence now. Cheers! SQGibbon (talk) 18:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe time to warn him. I must say, reading your links to his edits that he is a rather funny vandalic troll making a few pretty preposterous and obviously false claims ("reality-irreality grammar paradigm"), but compared to two of the few known real messup guys User:Jagged 85 and User:Richontaban (see Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jagged 85 and User:Rursus/star name desinformation) he seems to be a bored persistent joker that's just testing if he can insert one specific fiction. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 16:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chaos2 Template change[edit]

Rursus, I apologize for being so bold as to change your template, but I am working on removing links to DAB pages and Chaos (disambiguation) (without the disambiguation) is my current project. If your first link was intended for a different link (Chaos recently changed), then please modify your template as necessary. Thanks for your understanding. § Music Sorter § (talk) 08:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problemo! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 10:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

{{infobox general}}[edit]

Please undo all of these while the TfD is running. By removing the transclusions you're basically short-circuiting the TfD with your own favoured outcome. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1. There is no desired outcome for me, except I reluctantly accepted the reasons for the TfD,
2. I was cleaning the articles that was affected by the uglicity of the TfD procedure,
3. is there any certain policy that I broke? AFAIK it is quite legal to fixup an article that is under an AfD,
4. no - request denied - not unless I broke a policy.
Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 12:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear.
  1. Your comment on the TfD was to redirect to {{infobox}}. You then short-circuited that by altering lots of existing transclusions. The expected outcome of the TfD (per the nomination) was that the template be replaced with a standard image box, not an {{infobox}}.
  2. If you think the TfD template is ugly, go and propose improving it. Editing templates out of articles to remove the TfD notice is wrong-headed.
  3. WP:GTD gives a general overview. There is no specific prohibition on altering or replacing templates during a TfD, but there is plainly consensus that it isn't right.
  4. That's a depressing attitude, and not one I'd expected from an editor in good standing. Nevertheless, I think I've come up with a novel way of detecting these templates, so I should be able to auto-categorise them and delete them that way once the TfD has concluded (if, as expected, it results in deletion).
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Young man! (You're circa half my age). I think you're overpersonalizing this and indirectly wasting my time. The reason I denied the request is a lack of time, and no good reason to revert: the new template usage of the articles I changed is as good as the old one were. I feel like being bullied by being attributed intentions that I have not. Go read WP:GOODFAITH!
Now listen carefully: if my cleanup of the aforementioned infoboxes was a personal prestige matter and a try to thwart the TfD process, how come
  1. I first defended the template, then changed my mind randomly?
  2. Just fixed up a few articles that happened to be messed through the TfD, not all of them?
You're misinterpreting my position. You're taking me for a POV-pusher, and a system manipulator. I can understand your position, because you're a hardworking sysop that often meets persons that cannot get their personal position out of the texts. But I'm not your ordinary POV-pusher: I don't give a damn about {{infobox general}}, only how WP looks and whether a certain argumentation is valid or not. Why can't you leave your personal ego out of this discussion? I'm most of the time acting in the vacuum of WP where responses are very slow if none. If I've broken a policy, then link to that policy. Otherwise your request is denied because I have no time, and your request is unjustified. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally: 1. bureaucratization comes from the bottom getting struck in the first ad-hoc try to organize an enterprise (WP:BOLD), 2. bureaucratization is the prelude of territoriality, which undermines the common ownership of WP data (WP:NOT#OWN). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really think you have an iron in this particular fire, but nevertheless your actions weren't appropriate mid-TfD and as such I asked you (asked you) to undo them, not as a matter of ego but simply because it means that the TfD close won't actually accomplish what it was meant to (getting rid of fake infoboxes). Responses like "if it's not specifically banned then I'm not doing it" aren't very productive. But never mind; there's nothing more that we can resolve here, so I'm going to drop it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I beg you pardon for that! (Cultural and language misunderstandings). Now back to work! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 09:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ophiuchus[edit]

Just to let you know that somebody has put Ophiuchus (astrology), an article you created, up for deletion. MakeSense64 (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You! I'll give some opionions. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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July 2011[edit]

Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Anders Behring Breivik. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Please do not delete other's comments, ever. Cerejota (talk) 11:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know the rules. If I deleted someone others comment, it was unintended and due to an edit conflict. However, it might be that the other one got an edit conflict, and that I did nothing to trigger the data loss. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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My corrections of your factual errors[edit]

Hello. It seems you may be on vacation or busy with other things, since the time you left that stuff on JW talk page. Just to let you know I corrected your mistakes (unless they were deliberate lies, I don't know). This is what I wrote there, in case you don't see it any time soon.

Just to add my two cents, I did not read all of the comments and remarks on this section here, though some, but just basically the UNBELIEVABLE FACTUAL ERRORS put forth on the top by Rursus. These are my corrections and factual rebuttals.

  • Fact 1: JV:s ALWAYS call themselves "Christian", (in fact they call themselves "the only true Biblical Christians on earth". Just check their literature and listen to their sermons.)
  • Fact 2: Those who call themselves "Christians" sometimes have and do call JV:s "Christian", (not all of course, but some churches and writers (who profess to be "Christian") have referred to JWs as that, from time to time, depending.)
  • Fact 3: JV:s may reject others as being "valid Christians", and others do too, vice versa, but it does not matter much on a neutral Encyclopedia context.
  • Fact 4: JV:s are sometimes referred to as "cultic" by SOME who claim to be "orthodox" Christians, but not by all professed "Christians" necessarily. (And that doesn't matter as it's a known fact that the first-century Christians were referred to back then, by religious "orthodoxy", as "heretical, cultic, and crazy" too. The so-called "orthodox" turned out to be wrong, worldly, and pagan, and the fringe "heretics" turned out to be right. History never changes.) Regardless, JWs refer to themselves as, not just "Christians" (all the time, not just sometimes), but as the ONLY real New Covenant and Biblical Christians. That can easily be seen. To say that JWs "never" refer to themselves as "Christians" betrays an incredible ignorance and sloppiness (if not outright deception). Or just reckless assumption, because of agendas. JWs profess to believe in "Christianity". That's not even debatable, but completely verifiable. JWs call themselves "Christians" all the time.

This section is basically nonsense, built on 3 confirmed and absolute LIES....(or humongous mis-notions at the very least.) cheers. 68.237.235.130 (talk) 21:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I wrote. Just being blunt, sir, but you couldn't be more wrong. I don't know where you got that notion that JWs "never" call themselves "Christians". Because just the opposite is the case. JWs call themselves, not just "Christians", but the only true separated narrow-road no-part-of-the-word "Christians." They call themselves "Christians" all the time. So WP is correct in calling them that. In whatever sense. Just like Roman Catholics are professed "Christians" (though Luther called them pagans and called the pope "anti-christ"), so do JWs profess to be "Christians", and so do many neutral reliable sources, and so should a neutral encyclopedia. 68.237.235.130 (talk) 21:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're blunt, and I'm grateful for your opinion. I think I'm actually being wrong in my statements, except the one that JW:s aren't Christians in the usual Christian sense. My arguments are wrong, but my opinion is founded in my practical experience in how JWs and the rest regards each other. JWs are not Christians because of their intentional separateness, which is respected by the Christians, they're not Christians because their theology demands the individual JWs to act in a significantly different behavior compared to the Christian behavior, who actually have some coherent uniform behavior based on the characteristic Christian theology. The article on JW seems to ignore the connection between behavioral codex based on theological issues completely and the comments on that talk page indicates that one or a few POV:ly kidnappers completely disrespecting WP:5P have taken over the inner workings of the article. This is an inherent weakness of Wikipedia based on some few flaws in the Wikipedian philosophy (which is generally to be regarded as pretty successful).
The Wikipedian philosophy works up to advanced college level, but not more. For religious articles, the uppermost level is less, and it will never-ever reach farther than that. Regarding religious and philosophical articles, I myself have by far surpassed the level of achievement that the Wikipedian inner workings ever will be able to achieve – I've simply lost interest in Wikipedia for that purpose. I'm slowly leaving Wikipedia to find something better that is not ruled by the flawed Ayn-Randian Objectivism, which makes democratic committees and elect authorities suspect, that is combined to the highly successful OpenSource. OpenSource rulezz, while Ayn-Randian Objectivism should replaced with regulated democracy. (Jimbo Wales is a good guy, but too many editors are influenced by the Ayn-Randian mind-virus to get Wikipedia better than a certain level). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 08:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. Wikipedia has its pluses and minuses. It depends. The decent standard (though not always perfectly followed etc) is for neutral and sourced information to be the main points. By the way, I just wanted to add, as far as Jehovah's Witnesses, and the term "Christian", and their using it. I happen to know also that JWs refer to themselves (quite frequently) as "the Christian Congregation". That's even one of their official names. Something worth noting. Regards. 68.237.235.130 (talk) 22:43, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your understanding, and I agree with how it should be according to the policies, except, the policies lead the wrong way in quite a few cases. I'll occasionally be here in other articles to correct spelling errors, so I won't leave entirely for a while. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:42, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am learning about the christian symbols ALPHA and OMEGA are the beginning and the end just like GOD / JESUS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.19.88.97 (talk) 16:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity is full of symbols. You may be right of course, but GOD is ALPHA and OMEGA and Jesus and the Holy Ghost too. Good luck to you! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 18:49, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spoof star names[edit]

I see that an editor called Dbachmann has been reinserting or tinkering with various star names, including those that we had previously deleted as bogus. I'm not sure if he is merely careless or another incarnation of the old star name vandals who mixed good edits with bad. Something to keep an eye on. (BTW, he references a recent Patrick Moore book as the source for the star name "Urodelus". The only source for this can be Wikipedia, which says little for the author of the book!). Skeptic2 (talk) 11:39, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dbachmann is AFAIK a trusted editor with some position that I cannot remember just now. That must be carelessness, thank you for your note. Maybe inform him? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 12:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see you informed him! No deal then, I think, except some cleanup ... L8R. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 12:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse your calendar edit[edit]

Thanks for marking this personal essay in the midst of an article. I wish I knew of suitable reliable sources to set it right. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

this site (which is already in the external links list) defends the "revised julian calendar". Reducing a personal essay to something encyclopedic is mostly a matter of reduction, marking places where references are needed by [citation needed], and including references where found. In the final run, one can remove the claims that still have no references. If the remaining are hard-to-read, one may make a style improvement review. Orthodox wiki also have some concise reading about the Revised Julian Calendar, which is a good pattern for the topic. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 15:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Excuse this revert! It was an accident. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 18:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nemas problemas! Happy editing! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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THX 1016! (But that doesn't require much, actually, it requires a few spelling corrections and layout fixes here & there). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 09:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of sourced content at Vineland, New Jersey[edit]

Your recent edit of the article for Vineland, New Jersey removed sourced content that was taken directly from the source provided in the reference and is specifically relevant to the article. I know that the removal was made in good faith, but I can assure you that the term you found inappropriate is appropriate here, especially if you look at the source being used. Alansohn (talk) 13:27, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OKIDOKI. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 13:39, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

compressed back vowel in Swedish?[edit]

based on what we say elsewhere, I added

/uː/ is also compressed, [ɯᵝ].

to the Swedish phonology article. Do you know if this is correct? If not, the other articles need to be changed. It would be a good idea IMO to list explicitly which Swedish vowels are compressed, and which are protruded, so people don't take the wrong thing for granted. (We should do the same for Norwegian and Danish, even if they don't have a minimal pair like Swedish does.) — kwami (talk) 22:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is wrong. The Danish long /uː/ is very definitely a [ɯː] or possibly a [ɯᵝ], but the Swedish long /uː/ is quite another thing, much more like [y˒ᵝ], but seldomly [y˒ː] (only in Finlandian Swedish) and never [y˒ʲ], since then it would be confused with /yː/. The distinction between Danish /uː/ and Swedish /uː/ is very obvious. It is less between Danish and Swedish /u/, but still there is a distinction. In general, the difference between Danish and Swedish is very much about pronunciation, not lexical content. It's much easier for Swedes and Danes to read each others' newspapers than to listen and converse to eachother.
About the difference between Norwegian and Swedish pronunciation, I'm unsure. In general the difference is less about pronunciation, and in general Norwegians and Swedes have less trouble conversing to eachother. About the Norwegian long /uː/ I'm inclined to remember that it is near the Danish [ɯː], but for the rest, Norwegian is nearer Swedish (except of course the idiosyncratic [ɧ] and [ç] of Swedish). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 04:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think maybe we're mixing up orthography and IPA. By Swedish /u/ I mean the back vowel, presumably spelled o. Is that also compressed? — kwami (talk) 08:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
With [y˒] I mean an overrounded front vowel similar to German short/long 'ü', with [ɯ] I mean a non-rounded back wovel very dissimilar to German 'ü' but pretty near German 'u' (Swedish is incredibly confused regarding the pronunciation of the letter 'o'). About /u/ it's likely I am confused and actually mean the factually used grapheme 'u', so in my previous text, replace all occurrences of /X/ with 'X', then you'll get my point (perhaps). The Swedish 'o' [u] as in 'ost' cheese is not defined regarding compressed or lip-rounded – that's dialectal. The Götic habit is to mainly use lip-rounding (except for 'u:'), but I know of certain Swea dialects that have a "distorted" vowel phonology predominantly using compression to "round up" vowels (in private I imitate these dialects for comical purposes). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 09:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So we have 'y' [yː] protruded, 'u' [ʉː] compressed, and 'o' [uː] either, depending on dialect. What of the other round vowels? Are they protruded 'å' [oː] and compressed 'ö', [øː] as in German? And the short vowels 'o' [ɔ], 'u' [ʊ], 'u' [ɵ], 'y' [ʏ], 'ö' [œ], are they like their long equivalents, or doesn't the distinction apply?

This seems all rather confused in the coverage I've seen. — kwami (talk) 21:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, at Near-close near-front rounded vowel, if ut is [ʏβ̞t], with an off-glide, shouldn't ylle be [ˈʏ̫wlːɛ] with an off-glide too? — kwami (talk) 21:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2012

Membership report[edit]

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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by Berthold Werner
Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

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DYK[edit]

  • ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?


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Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report[edit]

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report[edit]

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By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art[edit]

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Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see
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I believe[edit]

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

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\lt and \gt[edit]

Hi Rursus, Please don't change < and > to \lt and \gt in a math environment. These are not recognized by Wikipedia's TeX parser and generate a parse error. If you are running MathJax and the formulas aren't displaying correctly, the issue is temporary and can usually be fixed by purging the cache. Note that MathJax support is still experimental, and indeed is still broken in many ways. This bug is known, however, and will probably be fixed in the next upgrade. Thanks, Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 05:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Deception Point[edit]

Hi. Regarding your recent removal of the section on foreign language editions of the novel, the word prune means to trim something, not to remove it entirely. The article translations are not a substitute for the foreign language editions, because the extent to which an work is translated goes directly to its notability, which is not established by foreign language Wikipedia articles. It is for this reason why, for example, there is an entire article on Harry Potter in translation. By the same rationale, it is perfectly reasonable for articles on works such as novels to have information the extent to which the novels have been translated. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 23:59, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1. then the conclusion should be that I pruned it, I didn't remove it entirely, because all info remains,
2. this list of editions stuff is a misuse of Wikipedia (WP:PROMOTION, WP:NOTSTATSBOOK, excessive listing of statistics),
3. because there was a previous error doesn't prove that the new error is alright.
4. I'm considering making fuzz for this kind of misuse of Wikipedia.
Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 07:27, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Time[edit]

They are at it again, perhaps you can remind them about your valid point that their proposed lede contains a fallacy? Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 19:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sh*t! That people never get it! Well, I'll see if can do anything, people use to be very kind of their circular reasoning as a most profound deepness. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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by User:JaGa
Mission Santa Clara de Asis

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Christian art

The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

By John Carter

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I believe
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Pseudo-text-box[edit]

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Arch Linux[edit]

I noticed your posts at Talk:Arch Linux. I have long wanted Arch to have better representation here, but I can't find the third-party coverage that is necessary to add significant information. The documentation for Arch is extensive, but each section has to have some third-party coverage to show that that the added data is not just an attempt to promote the subject. Unfortunately, Ubuntu (a GA) gets all of the third-party coverage despite the fact that Arch's package manager is the most elegantly coded Linux package manager there is. Those who use Arch see it as the perfect distribution for many reasons. A big part of this, as you mentioned, is the unprecedented philosophy behind it.
I was wondering if you had worked on these kinds of articles before and knew where we could find some sources. The Summer semester is ending for me and I will have a few weeks with hardly anything to do. I would like to work on this article in that time. hajatvrc @ 17:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think slashdot.org is the best way to get some kind of overview over nerdbased opinions. The pro and con argumenters sometimes provide 3rd party evaluations which are valuable. However, in the case of writing about Arch Linux'es own development philosophy, Arch Linux'es own wiki should suffice, while critical opinions could be added afterwards. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 17:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, thank you. hajatvrc @ 17:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I posted the question on the Arch forum and kind of made a fool of myself :D. hajatvrc @ 21:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I don't think you made a fool of youself, just wait and see, and if you want to improve Arch Linux please note WP:BOLD. Things on Wikipedia and most fora on the net runs just so slowly. If you want to make a short review of the Arch Linux philosophy, it is the best thing if you do it alone (and perhaps listen to comments when they (rarely) appear). "Fixes" or a "many-cooks" collaboration use to mess up the text. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 05:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I mean that I made a fool of myself because the Press Coverage page I was linked to with all the perfect stuff I had been wanting all this time is displayed on the main page of archlinux.org—a page I visit almost every day. I just cannot believe I've never seen it before. All this time... hajatvrc @ 06:14, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter[edit]


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August 2012

Membership report
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Church of the month


by User:Diliff
Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church


Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

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Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.


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wakie wakie...[edit]

Hi Rursus![edit]

It's been too long since last time I entered Wikipedia's backstage and I'm not sure this is how you do it, hope I'm not intruding here. You may not remember me, I was a little active in WP in 2009 during the strategy planning ado, and then went off somewhere else - mostly to real life (though I'm not sure how real). Anyway, I was pulled back in by an article on Philippe Bunau Varilla (history) that raised every hair I got left and made me go from outrage to anger, from anger to disappointment... never mind. The thing is, I decided to drop by just to see how you were doing, and of course I had to roll on the floor with laughter, that user page of yours is such a riot. Thank you ever so much, I did need to laugh a little. There seems to be some subtle indication that you are not so active here any longer either, which I both regret and understand. I probably should have said before that I am just talking with no particular aim, or maybe there is one but I don't know yet what it is. So you will just have to be patient (one of your strongest points, if you lived here for so long) and we'll find that aim eventually, if there is one. You see, I guess I must be the only collaborator of WP to have earned a barn star merely through talk page contributions, so you see I CAN talk. By the way, I have the physical star, it's on my desk, but I don't even know how to put it on my WP page - which may be just as well, since I still owe Philippe a thank you note for it. So, after leaving my commentary on the talk page of that preposterous article about Bunau Varilla, I roamed around a little in search of something interesting to do, before coming here. I... hey! THAT is the point! you answered my unformulated question already, that's why all this prattle was so aimless! Your big yellow box, glaring at me, where you are almost asleep, that says it perfectly. Rursus, I like WP, I like it very much, but it's becoming like that proverbial Tower of Babel, is it not? It is a great, noble goal, but - is it feasible? Maybe it is, but surely not on the present terms. You have invested A LOT of time and effort here, with no compensation other than the laughs - are you just going to leave saying "and thanks for all the fish"? All right, it has never been a matter of compensation, but I hate wasting time, and I am sure of what I am saying: I don't even know what the conclusions of the strategy planning were, but they were WRONG if they didn't contemplate some sort of structuring on the basis of merit, or seniority, or somehow allowing for WP's next logical step - to give birth to a higher Wikipedia, a leaner one too, where you cannot find articles about brands of cereals but where History is treated with more respect, if not more truth, and subjects like religion - you can surely see the potential. mmmm... When is the next strategy planning due? would you rather lobby,or leave? Regards, (-- Thamus joyfulnoise 04:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Hi there!
Well, I'm planning writing books, so my effort was really profitable. And I'm still sometimes spell correcting here and there, since I'm still reading here and there sometimes. The rules of WP need to change if it's going to become any better. The problem is that there is no hierarchy of WP-proficiency, which could create a way to promote good behaviors and a proper mentoring through master-pupil-relations. As it is now, anyone can have the equal say, depending on argumentativeness and persistence. This fosters a lone-verbal-warrior "consensus" promoting a WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT style of argumentation based on fundamental misunderstandings, whatever the policies demand. Committees of authority, votes and abidement to the votes would be better, in a moderated form. Equality is still to be there by the committees being required to explain their decisions properly. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 07:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
HORAY!
I'm happy to hear that you're planning to write, I am VERY interested in what you have to say, especially if it is about Astronomy or Religion, though if you ever decide to write a novel with that caustic sense of humor you got, I am even more interested. Mind you, I know next to nothing about Astronomy and little more about Religion, but I am interested in learning. I suspect that if you write about Astronomy, I won't be able to reach it, but I would try anyway. I recently asked the web "what is time?" (I know, that's more the realm of Physics) and the only answer I got back from scientists that seemed honest was "we don't know". Poets seem to understand it better, but I was looking for a scientific answer. About WP, we seem to coincide pretty much, so no more to say about that, except that if you ever think there is any hope to change things in that direction, I am ready to weigh in with whatever convincing power I got. User Bodnotbod presented the best counter arguments 3 or 4 years ago, they are still on my talk page, but they were based on a misunderstanding; I NEVER meant to have 2 WP's. His arguments were still valid against any sort of whatevercracy though, meritocracy included, and must be taken into account. You see, being an anarchist to the bones, WP, looked at from the outside in a dispassionate way, represents a wondrous experiment to me, one that at first sight seems to force my hand into admitting the practical impossibility of anarchy. Well, we'll see...
You would probably have no trouble understanding my writing. As for religion, it would be a history book about the cultures in the antiquity when Christ and Christianity emerged. I would vindicate that most of the theological reasoning in the Bible indicates that the major part of early Christianity were Hellenized Jews with a huge Platonic influence. As for astronomy it would be a book about the constellations and common object types observable by any amateur astronomer, whether by binoculars or a simple telescope.
As for time, there is no noncircular definition except for something connected to some kind of increased disorder/decay/entropy. One can without contradiction add a pinch of emergence, but that just adds a scale perspective. Every other definition either tries a circular definition or an "it doesn't really exist, so we don't need to bother" operation, which is just another sneaky evasion. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 18:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that at this point I ought to let you know that you are talking with someone who has had hardly any formal education, so that I had to look around for definitions of entropy. But even with the fuzzy notions that were left swimming around in my poor old mind, I strongly suspect that trying to define time in terms of entropy is going to be as irritatingly tangential, or circular, as you put it, as in terms of any of the things that seem to happen IN time. I am feeling increasingly frustrated and inclining towards the escapists who just claim it doesn't exist, but there's this sort of "scientific" honesty (or stubbornness?) to my character that won't let go. I so wish Einstein were alive to pester him with this one! Time seems to be indefinable per definition and I wonder someone somewhere hasn't tried to equate it with God. My interest in astronomy stems from the basic question "what is the universe?", and of course I would have lost that interest if it weren't for the sheer beauty of it, since that seems to be an even more hopeless question to be answered, even by all science and religion combined. Which brings me in a very roundabout way to your books. The vast majority of people on this planet have never seen a professional telescope, but even I who am as poor as St. Francis was able to buy my son a toy telescope, a toy I say, but probably several times more potent than Galileo's old gizmos. Because of lacking a proper tripod, I couldn't do more than look at the full moon and Mars, the size of a fly's wing, kept dancing around. I soon gave up, in frustration, wishing there were a planetarium in this country that has such breathtaking night skies. And so, to come finally to my point, I am looking forward to your astronomy book. If you are going describe, and hopefully explain about such celestial bodies as can be observed by people like me, I'll buy it on the spot. If you're writing in Swedish, I can't offer any help, if it is English, I might be able to offer my humble views as a sample typical reader (though I'm afraid there isn't much that is "typical" about me). I am trying to say that if the answers to the ultimate questions that prompt us to scrutinize the universe seem to be out of the reach of humanity for a long time to come, at least we can still bask at the beauty of it, and it does some good to understand whatever can be understood. Rursus, I am conscious that I am practically vandalizing your page with my unstoppable prattle, please feel free to delete this dialogue if you feel like it, and by all means feel just as free to tell me to shut up already,, I promise not be offended ;) Oh my, I haven't said a word about the one on early Christianity! Well, in synthesis, I am surprised that your contention isn't consensual. And you might even poke a little further and explore the (possible?) influences of higher Indian theology in both Platonism and Christian doctrines. Saludos, (-- Thamus joyfulnoise 17:59, 5 September 2012 (UTC))[reply]
I know that "decay" is usually considered being an increased destruction with time, but instead consider it being an increased tendency of fuzzyness (disorder) in one specific room direction in the 4 dimensional space. That room direction is time, since it is parallel with this fuzzyness. Just imagine it so. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 19:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was away again for a while. I like your answer, as it really challenges my imagination. Quite honestly, what you are saying is something I just can't see, though I try. I beg your pardon for a terrible mistake; I have no idea what you may have thought I meant by "higher Indian theology", of course what I meant to say was Higher Brahmanism. I vaguely remember someone putting forth the hypothesis that Jesus could have traveled to India in his youth, or at least somehow have contacted Indian sages. Who can tell? There's so little historical evidence of anything concerning Jesus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thamus (talk • contribs) 00:11, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter[edit]


ICHTHUS

September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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Church of the month


by User:Diliff
The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford


Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.


Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report

As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.


Spotlight

WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.


I believe
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.


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Misplaced &ndash;[edit]

Please, don't do this, never, because that superscripts should be minus signs. If you are not familiar with WP:− yet, then now it is not too late to read it. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's no info abt &ndash; in your link. Quite contrary to what you might have intended, the WP:− discourages using minus sign, so maybe you should read it yourself? Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 18:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What namely "discourages using minus sign"? WP:− redirects to Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers #Minus sign, otherwise your browser is malfunctioning. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:− discourages using minus sign. Whether WP:− redirects to Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Dates and numbers #Minus sign has little to do with the functionality of my browser. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 05:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
followup. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter[edit]


ICHTHUS

September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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By John Carter


Church of the month


by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image
St. Paul's Church, Basel


Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie!

Spotlight

WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter[edit]


ICHTHUS

November 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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By John Carter


Church of the month


Saint-Augustin, Paris by User:Saffron Blaze

Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!


Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.


Calendar
This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert . Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight

The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012[edit]


ICHTHUS

December 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

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Church of the month


This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.


Calendar
This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight

In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013[edit]


ICHTHUS

January 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
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Church of the month


This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter




Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder
 This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter


Calendar
This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013[edit]


ICHTHUS

April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.


This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter




Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.


By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)[edit]


ICHTHUS

May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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