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happy v day

Happy Valentines Day! Aren't you proud, i found this page all by myself...what can i say i am a genius. Plus, thanks for introducing me to this site...it rocks. I love, like you, really random facts that i can ask people and they would have absolutely no clue what i am talking about, so this is cool. Now i will never be bored AND i will be extremely knowledgeable with extremely useless facts. THANKS ~arline

good job--Rentastrawberry 04:16, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, i see you have succeeded in getting your page on the deleted page, nice one. I thought it was funny. Anyway, did your quiz, found it very informative, and so USEFUL!lol ~Arline

New

I guess since I'm new in the wikipedia community, no one really knows who I am. Therefore no one cares about User:Rentastrawberry or my talk page. Anyway, for those veteran users who somehow stumble on this note, open yourselves to knew users, me, and everyone else that is new in this community. I haven't really gotten a warm welcome, and truley am starting to think that I shouldn't have even signed up for this thing in the first place and just stayed as 22.563.7782: some unknown person that comes by to do a report.--Rentastrawberry 05:55, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Rent, sorry you're not feeling welcome. Wikipedia can sometimes be a confusing place, especially because longtime editors get used to things working in a certain way and that way is not always obvious to newcomers. And with the amount of articles that go through Votes for Deletion every day, it's easy to lapse into a business-like discussion and forget the "bedside manner" for those not accustomed to the process. But we're glad you're here and hope you stay. If you're having trouble with articles getting deleted, I'd suggest you start slow. Perhaps just stick to editing articles and adding content for now. Maybe keep an eye on the discussion at Votes for Deletion to see what kind of stuff gets deleted. And don't take it personally—don't take a criticism of an article as a criticism of you.

I tried your quiz, but I didn't get any of the answers right. Not even close. Anyway, you asked for cool information that you may not know…I really don't know you well enough to guess what you may or may not know, but here's something I think is cool: Did you know that dolphins and whales have in their flippers the same bones you have in your arms and hands? The skeleton of a dolphin flipper has five "fingers", just like you and me and the land mammals from which they're descended. They even have some vestigial hip bones that are very small and not connected to the rest of their skeleton.

Hope you found that interesting, unless you already knew that. Do you still need help with pictures? — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 09:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I left you a note on your talk page --Rentastrawberry 02:55, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Rent (may I call you Rent?), nice to hear back from you. Yeah, I thought it was pretty neat—it's amazing how over time the same basic body plan has changed to fit the needs of the various mammals (bats have elongated "fingers" too over which the wing is stretched—you can see it if you look at a bat's wing). And I'm a big fan of dolphins too, so I've taken a lot of interest in them. Anyway, yeah, images are a bit confusing. I don't know that much about them myself—the only images I've uploaded are a couple I've taken myself. It depends what you want to use the images for; even if they are copyrighted, they can sometimes be used under "fair use" principles. Maybe take a look at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags if you haven't already; the array of tags gives an idea of under what conditions images are used. It also contains a link to fair use information. You can ask your specific question on the talk page there, or perhaps ask one of the members listed at the bottom. They should be far more knowledgeable about this than I. Feel free to ask me any other questions or share any other interesting facts, and I look forward to your future contributions! — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 05:59, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh by the way, you can sign your comments using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. It's a good practice to do, not only so that people can easily tell who wrote something but also so that there's a nice link back to the user. — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 06:24, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks a lot again. And call me whatever you like, I dont really care. Rentastrawberry 02:02, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop a line that I'm glad to see it looks like you are figuring out how the image licensing works, as well as other areas of Wikipedia. I know you had a bad first experience, but we really are a friendly community—I think you'll like it here. Anyway, let me know if you happen to change your quiz some time and I'll try it again. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:31, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey. I'm not going to change the quiz, but just periodically add another question. All the answers can be found on Wikipedia and I'm trying to make it like Wikifun. And since Wikifun hasn't updated in a while, I was hoping people would try mine. Rentastrawberry 01:48, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hey Rent, thanks for the suggestion. It's funny you mention it—by chance, about a week after my first message to you, a current administrator offered to nominate me for adminship, and I decided to go for it. I became an administrator a few days ago, but I haven't done much yet aside from rollback some vandalism. I'm still familiarizing myself with the details of deletion, protection, blocking, and such. I appreciate the faith you show in me though. By the way on your quiz, perhaps you should mention that all the answers can be found in Wikipedia. I didn't try looking anything up since I thought it would be "cheating"—I'll retry them, searching for the answers this time. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Yo, fellow desert rat! I'm in La Quinta. Just when I thought I was the only one from the CV! - Lucky 6.9 03:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I'm in the cove. In fact, I did the California State Highway 74 article and played a few concerts at St. Margaret's back when I was principal trumpet for the Coachella Valley Symphony. Small world, eh? - Lucky 6.9 03:51, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Small World Rentastrawberry 07:05, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Re: admin

Hey bud, thanks! If you are interested in becoming an administrator at some point, the first thing you should do is clarify in your mind exactly why you wish to become an administrator. Just wanting it for its own sake or for its status isn't enough, as it's not just a promotion given to longtime users. In my case, I didn't even originally intend to seek adminship. However, I do quite a bit of cleaning up vandalism and such, and so the ability to quickly rollback vandalism and to block users was quite useful to me. It's mainly because I do this type of thing that I was voted in (see my Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Knowledge Seeker for the type of things people said). Also important is the ability to always deal maturely and civilly in conflicts, sometimes with users who are quite rude. One recent candidate, though very prolific and popular, did not get adminship primarily because of rude or uncivil comments. I'm not saying you would act like this, but just pointing out that an administrator must possess a level of maturity and composure that not everyone has. So think about why exactly you want to become an administrator. It may be that it's not right for you, or maybe things will change in the future. For now, concentrate on getting more involved. You could try copyediting articles (like fixing spelling and punctuation), or add to articles you know things about. Perhaps check new articles for copyright violations or watch recent changes for vandalism. Or help out on the image tagging project or take photographs for articles that could use them. There are plenty of ways to get involved. And keep an eye out for the way Wikipedians you respect interact with the community. Not all of them have the same style as I. You can also take a look at the contributions of any user (there's a link on the left side) to see what type of stuff they do. Hope this helps, and let me know what you think of all this. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:05, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Hey Rent, I'm glad to see you've been getting more involved in several areas—good job! I deleted the "GABA C receptor" article you nominated for speedy deletion. Although actually I should consider writing an article on that or "Induced fit" if I ever get time to do it. I did want to let you know one thing though: when nominating articles on VFD, make sure you read the instructions at the bottom: WP:VFD#VfD footer. You have to list your nominations on the VFD page or people won't know about them. Ask me if you need help, OK? — Knowledge Seeker দ 00:04, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Yeah, you have to add your nominations to the VFD page. The intstructions are on the WP:VFD at WP:VFD#VfD footer. Make sure you follow all the steps. A few things are a little different; you should use {{subst:vfd}} and not {{vfd}}, and you have to add a section header and so on. Take a look at the instructions and ask me if any of them don't make sense. It's a little confusing the first time but once you do it it'll all make sense. — Knowledge Seeker দ 00:14, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Amber Fort in Amber, India

Well, if you think you understand it, the best way to find out is to try it and see. Yes, I could finish your VFD entry for you, but how will you learn then? Seriously, don't worry about being embarrassed—all of us were new here once and I've made plenty of harmless mistakes myself. Wikipedia's a complex place, but you'll figure it out. Nice job on edit summaries, by the way. I try to use an edit summary for almost every edit: only ones to talk pages and my user page don't always get summarized. Also, I saw you were playing around with images: to get a thumbnail, you can use something like this: [[Image:Amber Fort interior.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Amber Fort]] in [[Amber, India]]]], which I used at the top of this paragraph. "Thumb" means to make a thumbnail: the size in pixels, the side of the page, and the caption are also specified. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'll make sure that I never delete what you just wrote. Rentastrawberry 01:09, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hehe, well, the short answer would probably be "by wasting too much time." But I guess I'm the kind of guy who likes playing around with things but also looks in the manual when he can't figure something out. For things like VFD (or copyright problems or speedies), I read through the instructions before nominating something for the first time. Images I avoided for quite a while (if you look through my contribution history, you'll see I didn't start using images until quite recently). Once I decided I wanted to take and upload some pictures, I had to figure out how to use those tags. I played around with it a little, and went to the Editing FAQ and read the section on images. That led me to instructions on uploading and displaying images. Don't forget that you can use the "show preview" button to play around with different things without having to save it each time as a new version. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:16, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thats what I did with the Warning box on my main page. Rentastrawberry 01:18, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

You can find more information on the helpful page Wikipedia:Extended image syntax, although in practice variants of my above example have been sufficient for all my needs. Also linked from there is information on the the quite useful <gallery> tag, which I use on my user page to display the photographs I've taken. As for the "new messages" box, I am not certain exactly. In general, if I click the link and go to my talk page, the message stops appearing. I've noticed, though, that if I edit my own talk page, like for fixing sections or for archiving, the notice seems to stay for longer. I don't know how to make it go away; it just goes away by itself after awhile. Let me know if you find anything out. I like the warning box. I fixed a minor error in it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:21, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Sounds interesting; I'll definitely have to check it out. I agree, though, that perhaps you should give a few days to see what others think. It's up to you, of course. In any case, I'll see if I can participate, although I should warn you that I am not very creative. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:41, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Once upon a time

Yeah, that was really fun :P I don't know if it's appropriate though... One thing you could do that i was planning to do was to organize the front page of Once upon a time. Ie for anyone thats new it should lay out the basic procedure and it should also inform about who is writing the current chapter and who has written the previous ones, etc. I was planning to do that, but now I'm stuck writing :D. Gkhan 16:53, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

who knows maybe I could use the tag for something else. --Rentastrawberry 17:07, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Re: help

Don't worry, we'll figure it out. Are you talking about your attempt for Aspersorium? If so, it looks like you created the subpage at Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion/Aspersorium (capital "D") instead of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Aspersorium. The easiest way to create the subpage is to follow the "red" link from the VfD notice you place. In this case, it's easy to fix: just move the page to the new name. Let me know if it works. — Knowledge Seeker দ 23:07, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Looks like you figured it out! Don't forget to go back and fix any you did before (if you've forgotten, you can find them at Special:Contributions/Rentastrawberry). OK if I delete Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion/Aspersorium then? — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:23, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I saw your user page while you were reverting vandalism yesterday, so just so you know that people have read it I am posting on your talk page. I also like quizing people, and I was on a team in high school where we did quiz shows on television. I have memorized the presidents of the United States as well as the kings of England, France and Russia. I did your quiz, but I didn't get anything right. Maybe if I'm really bored sometime I'll look up the answers on Wikipedia somehow, but those are really hard questions. And I am so busy right now, I'll probably have to leave Wikipedia in a couple months, but I am having a great time editing here. Anyway, I like weird things too. Vandals and trolls really post a lot of strange things here, don't they? I like to read the new page log, the deletion log and VFD. Well The one thing you did which I don't like is your post on Talk:Djibouti. People could really be offended by that. I was wondering if you think it would be ok if I deleted that page, since I am an administrator. Stan, the person who posted a reply, is right that different things sound weird to people in different parts of the world. I was thinking recently about the names of our states. Some of those are weird, aren't they? Names of places are interesting. But a lot of them are native American names. Anyway, I don't think that has any useful purpose being there. Academic Challenger 08:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I did delete it. The difference between that and the list of sex positions is that the list is actually an encyclopedia article, while your talk page comment isn't meant to help the encyclopedia and adds nothing to it really. Academic Challenger 00:42, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikifun Round 7

Has started. Good luck! Grue 13:11, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Awesome Job

hey, i checked out your page!!! It's really cool. I LOVE THE WARNING BOX!!! I also love the mood-o-meter. Anyway, great job on your page and see you at drama practice tomorrow bright and early! CoOlbEEnS91

• This comment was actually added by user:152.163.100.131, an anonymous user account that is under vandalism watch. Users from this IP show a wide mix of interests, styles and behaviors indicating that it is a commonly used IP. Rossami (talk) 02:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Once upon a time...

Hi -- and also welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed Ayinyud's alternative proposal on the discussion page -- and well, I ran with it. Be Bold! So please drop over and look at the messes I've made. Below is my initial note on the discussion page.

"I'll join in, but I think we all have to take some initiative to get this off the ground. The time constraints may be the main difficulty. After all, everyone here does have a real life, don't they? What if we took the info above, claimed a chapter, wrote from one of the listed characters or additional character's POV (I'll be Ethelynn, the new upstairs maid - Chapter 7, User:WBardwin/Chapter.), and then put it together and edit jointly for content and flow? Each character would tell about events before, the murder, and events after from their POV, then we would have different snapshots to work from. We could then jointly write the revelation of the murderer and the conclusion. Having the first chapter to work from would be important, however. How goes it. Gkhan?"

I stole your warning box for my chapter page. Could you design one specifically for Once upon a time...? Hope to see you grab a chapter too! WBardwin 14:41, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I have no strong preferences -- when I stole your warning box I though something with a murder theme (a dagger or pistol) for the picture would be fun. Hermoine### (I forget her numbers) stole it from my chapter site too. It could be a place we could put the novel's title when we decide on one -- or a "Murder Most Foul" or "read at your own risk" kind of thing. I was looking, I guess, for someway to unify the effort. Even though I'm new to the site, it appears the project needs some kind of jolt. Just put whatever you come up with on the discussion page -- we can always copy it. So, think about it - and about writing a little. I hope that my suggestions cause some action, at least. Thanks. WBardwin 22:22, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: templates

Hey, Rent, good to hear from you. Sure, I can help you with your templates. The first thing to realize is that there are no special template types; any page can be used as a template. Any page you put between curly braces will be transcluded; that is, its contents will be inserted on the page. So for instance, if I were to type {{User:Rentastrawberry}}, it would insert a copy of your user page. So what you need to do: create a subpage with your warning, such as User:Rentastrawberry/warning. Then, wherever you want it to appear, just type {{User:Rentastrawberry/warning}}. Does that make sense? See Wikipedia:Templates for more information, or feel free to ask me if you have any questions! — Knowledge Seeker দ 02:37, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Better than Xenu?

Hi Rent,

If you liked Xenu I think you're definitely going to like Space opera in Scientology doctrine. :-) -- ChrisO 8 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)

COTW nomination

Considering that communications is a disambiguation page, it can hardly be considered a candidate. You might want to check the pages it links to in order to locate a more suitable candidate. Circeus 10:51, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Spam

Please stop spamming pages with ads for your survey. It's disruptive and violates Wikipedia policy. If you don't stop, you could be temporarily blocked from editing. Thanks. Wyss 01:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Rentastrawberry and thanks for answering so fast. Yeah, what you're doing would be considered spam because it's not related to editing the articles and it's being indiscriminately posted to music pages. Imagine if everyone could do that... there would be dozens of boxes and ads for various projects at the top of every talk page. Another reason why what you did is disruptive, is that you posted these boxes to the top of each talk page. If you do post on a talk page, it should be at the bottom. However, you shouldn't do this at the bottom of talk pages either, it's spam.

Btw, there are reasons why the survey you'd like to conduct across WP could never be a scientifically valid or meaningful poll of what you describe, but that's another topic. Anyway, I'm sure your mistake was innocent and I wanted to let you know before you caused any serious disruption. You're always welcome and encouraged to edit articles here! Wyss 02:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

It's totally ok to put them on your user and user talk pages! I also left the box you put in Village Pump, even if it's not stricly appropriate I don't think many would mind it there. So far as me contributing, I could never narrow down my taste to ten faves. I do find surveys like that interesting though. The Guardian newspaper in London (I think) did something similar a year or two, it was very entertaining to read. Wyss 02:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Evermore is number 2

That's pretty good. BTW I noticed you're out by Coachella, how hot is it in February? --fpo 00:54, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

I live out by Pasadena. Now, for a shortened survey version:

The Battle of Evermore - LZ

The End - Doors

Where the Streets Have no Name - U2

The Call of Ktulu - Metallica

Can't think of much else --fpo 01:34, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

French Laundry

Who doesn't? It's one of the top 10 restaurants in the United States, if not the world. Never been there, but I've been to Per Se in New York twice. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:06, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Top 200 Rock songs

• Hello, Rent-a-strawberry. Here are my candidates for the list. My idea of rock is rather fluid.

Devil's Haircut, Beck

I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, U2

One Way Out, Thirteenth Floor Elevators

Paranoid, Black Sabbath.

Riders on the storm, The Doors

IINAG 15:01, 25 August 2005

• You are right, Rent-a-strawberry, I did mean 'the Allman Brothers.' I don't know how I mixed them up with the Thirteenth Floor Elevators, (whose song, 'You're gonna miss me,' I would nominate as clear-cut classic rock.) I guess that they have the same vibe :D. IINAG 03:18, 26 August 2005

Requesting comments on template alteration

Hello. I see you are using one or more of the User instruments templates in your Babel box. Inspired by some recent developments, I want to rework all the templates in there (including ones used on user pages), to make them more like the regular Babel templates. However, I thought I should hear from the people this would affect before actually doing it. Please weigh in at User:Ddawson/User instruments. Ddawson 10:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

WP:MIND 22:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Challenge yourself, and get ready to think!

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Re: Newest articles

Hey, Rent, sorry for the late reply; I've had to severely cut back my time on Wikipedia now that I'm a doctor. A while back, there was some discussion with replacing the Did you know... section with a Picture of the day. I was opposed to this, as were others, while other people liked the idea. In true Wikipedia style, a good compromise was reached, wherein DYK would continue on the week days, and the POTD would be shown on weekends. You won't miss any of the DYK articles because of this; they'll still all be featured on the main page, although they may spend less time there. You can see the nominations at Template talk:Did you know. To actually see the newly created articles, see Special:Newpages; they are created at a very fast rate. Only well-developed articles (not stubs) can be featured in DYK, so that means the article has to grow pretty fast. Also, it has to be nominated, either by (one of) the author(s) or someone else. I've had several articles of mine appear there, but I've nominated them all myself. Does that answer your questions? — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:41, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

By the way, I got question 10 right on your Wikiquiz (although it's the easiest of them). I'm supposed to tell you something about myself...hmm...well, I read Scientific American each month and try to get though the New England Journal of Medicine each week. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

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VFD: Bracketed songs

Just a quick message to let you know that a page that you have contributed to in the past, List of songs with brackets in their titles, is up for deletion here :( David 5000 18:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

My top 10 rock songs:

Hi Rentastrawberry, I too am 14.

But anyway, here are my top 10 rock songs. I hope they are actually rock...

• More than a feeling. By Boston.
• Somebody to love. By Queen.
• Needles & Pins. By Smokie.
• American woman. By the Guess who.
• Black Betty. By Ram Jam.
• Thunderstruck. By ACDC.
• Bohemian Raspodey. By Queen.
• Mystify. By INXS.
• New Sensation. By INXS.
• We Will rock you. By Queen.

Hope that does it. Drop a line if you need anything... Spawn Man 08:25, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Fixed mistake... Spawn Man 22:47, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Request:

If it's okay with you, could you please vote for my good friend LordAmeth for his adminship here? I'm sure he would greatly appreciate having such a valued member of Wikipedia like yourself vote for him. Spawn Man 04:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Brain Teasers:

Hi, I'm just posting a friendly notice stating that I have got Brain Teasers on my user page that you're welcome to have a go at. Will post new questions one day after they have been answered. Thanks... Spawn Man 05:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Song articles

Yes, I did get those from your user page, I enjoy creating missing articles. I don't participate in any music wikiprojects. — Wackymacs 15:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Good Tips

Good tips on Palm Springs! Thanks. 68.4.3.200

Accomodation Listings Format

Hi, you've done a lot of good work on Palm Desert, among others. Thanks! One mistake you appear to have made is that you refomatted the Sleep entries to an incorrect style. See Wikitravel:Accomodation listings for the correct style, and use its talk page if you would like to have the style altered. -- Colin 00:07, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Friends?:

Hi Renta!

Was wondering, maybe you'd like to be friends or something? We are the same age & like the same kind of stuff... I've always wanted a pen pal from America. So what do you say? Ya, Na, Maybe? Anyway... Spawn Man 02:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Emergency department

I wonder if you would consider supporting Emergency department at Article improvement drive. The ED is a place that we all may spend time if ill and I feel we should provide the public with more info about it.--Brendanconway 04:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)