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Category:Articles with close paraphrasing of public domain sources from September 2012

Who keeps tagging them? Then they clutter up WP:CSD. Then if you don't pay attention - - - Dlohcierekim 21:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't think adding a page to this category puts them in CAT:CSD. At least, it shouldn't, and it didn't when I tried an experiment in my sandbox. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
The cat seems to appear w/ CSD tag on it. Forcing others to detag it.?! Dlohcierekim 22:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I think I see. It's not "someone" tagging it, I think. When the bot creates it, something deep in the inner workings of the called templates or sub templates or sub sub templates adds a CDS tag if the month and year aren't added. I think. Reaper appears to have fixed it for this motnh, which is why it didn't show up in my sandbox. I think. In case it isn't obvious, I'm in over my head, so I'm going to re-cloak... --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
ME too, me too  :) Dlohcierekim 22:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
It's the <code>{{{monthno|0}}}</code> and <code>{{{year|0}}}</code> parameters in Template:Monthly clean up category/core defaulting to 0 when no month is specified, resulting in the page evaluating as empty and old, so a {{db-g6}} is automatically transcluded. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for reverting that vandalism on my talk page !! MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

a recent block you made

I noticed a recent block you made for User:Anderson. He was blocked for evading editing restrictions while logged out. Anyway, he wasn't autoblocked, which I would consider to be related to evading editing restrictions. Could you perhaps enable autoblock or explain why? --Mysterytrey 22:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how that got switched off. Anyway, I blocked his IP directly, so it won't really matter all that much. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
If you look at IP talk page, you'll see that people connect via (presumably closed) proxy to it, so anything like a home IP could also be caught via autoblock, I believe. --Mysterytrey 23:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Anderson was autoblocked. That's the default, so the only time autoblocks are mentioned in the block log is when they're disabled. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Did not know that. Thanks Floquenbeam. --Mysterytrey 23:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. I almost answered without checking, but chickened out and verified it first: [1]. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Ahh thanks. Well, anyway, user got checkuser blocked, but a user (Calm As Midnight) kept editing and autoblock didn't stop them. I'm guessing autoblock doesn't block everyone who has ever edited from that IP, just the one currently being edited from, so I'm assuming the checkuser blocked the different IPs being edited from, not just the IP that is currently in a session with. --Mysterytrey 00:10, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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User:Lilwayne187

Hi Reaper,

Just noticed you declined the G1 tags on the above named account. I was just about to review them, as I noticed G1 was incorrect and that G2 or T3 may be the more apparent tags for this case. The user account appears to have been created purely for the fact of writing gibberish content in Arabic and defacing other user's pages. You only need to review their contribs to notice this pattern of disruptiveness. I don't think AIV is appropriate as there are no signs of vandalism as such. But the weird pattern of posting Arabic in random places of English Wikipedia does strike me as somewhat odd. Any suggestions on how to resolve this one? Wesley Mouse 12:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

There's no reason for deleting that user's userpages, since people are allowed to make test edits and put gibberish on their userpages. Obviously, posting it on other people's userpages is vandalism, so I removed that. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Ahh I see, makes perfect sense now. I find it amazing that I still learn new things around here even after having an account for a little over a year. Thank you for teaching me something new, much appreciated. Any other useful hints and tips that you think I may find useful to learn? Wesley Mouse 13:12, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Military history coordinator election

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Afd close request

I would close this as delete by that would be innapropriate on my part. Could you look into it?—cyberpower ChatLimited Access 17:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Mark Arsten (talk · contribs) closed it, but why the notification? Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Because it was 10 days old and needed to be closed.—cyberpower ChatOffline 17:39, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit not triggering edit filter

Hi, where should I report that this edit failed to trigger the edit filter? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Because old_wikitext contained the word "rape", filter 380 did not catch this edit. Sole Soul (talk) 00:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 September 2012

Cyberpower and non-admin closures

Hey Reaper Eternal. I know that a lot of your discussions with Cyberpower have been on closing discussions, so I thought this section of his talk page may be something you could look at. WormTT(talk) 11:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what more to say. I tried to show him ways that closures could be done, and the few cases that non-admins could close, but.... :/ Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:13, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry too much, I think Cyberpower has got the point. WormTT(talk) 12:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry Reaper. I may have gotten carried away in closing because of how much fun they are. I stopped closing for now to settle down a bit.—cyberpower ChatOnline 14:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

GOCE mid-drive newsletter

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Thanks!

Thanks, RE!

That kind of BLP-violation has no place in Wikipedia, and I'm glad that that editor won't be able to use that account without having performed acts of contrition at ANI or ArbCom.

I hope the Wikimedia Foundation can get rid of his "cartoon" at the Commons.

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

The upload has been deleted at Commons. It seems to have been a copyright infringement of a John Shakespeare (not John Shakespeare) carton.
BTW, I once picked up a volume of St. Thomas Aquinas (from The Great Books, TM) and haphazardly opened a page. The Beatific Father was explaining why apostates should be put to death, with Aristotelean syllogisms. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
No worries! I wouldn't really describe him as a "BLP violator" as much as a "harassment account", "troll sockpuppet", or "single-purpose attack account". But I suppose that's all just pedantry, since the resulting block is still indefinite. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:17, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks x 2

Thanks for protecting Jerry Meals. I wouldn't be surprised if the vandalism continues even after this protection expires. AutomaticStrikeout 00:36, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:17, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Cat deletion

Afternoon Eternal, You deleted Category:Bulgarian aircraft 1960–1969 recently. I created it ready for an article on the Kometa-Standard, which took rather longer than I anticipated whilst I waited for sources, leaving the cat empty. That article is now started, so may we have the cat back? Thanks, TSRL (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Certainly. The category was only deleted procedurally because it was empty. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:08, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. It now seems to have acquired a Speedy D notice. Can we get rid of that also?TSRL (talk) 15:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I just forgot to remove it. I'll go remove it before another admin deletes it or warns Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk · contribs) for tagging non-empty categories for speedy deletion. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:23, 18 September 2012 (UTC) Cheers!TSRL (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2012

Wikipedia:Saint pentecostal church

When you deleted Wikipedia:Saint pentecostal church, you forget to close it's RFD. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Whoops! It looks like Thryduulf (talk · contribs) has already closed the RFD, however, and I fixed the final closing tag so that not every RFD on that page is closed. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that, typing isn't my strong point this evening it seems! Thryduulf (talk) 21:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Saint pentecostal church

Earlier today you speedily deleted Wikipedia:Saint pentecostal church under criterion R3. This was incorrect as that criterion explicitly does not apply to redirects that are the result of a page move. In this case though it was eligible for deletion under criterion G6, as the redirect resulted from moving a page created in the wrong namespace.

Although the error on this occasion was purely clerical, it is extremely important that speedy deletions are done correctly. Thryduulf (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I know. I just wasn't going to undelete and re-delete citing G6/G8 for something that extremely minor. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Phuoc Long district

I would like to make clear that Phuoc Long district can refer two location names in Vietnam. Old Phuoc Long District belonged to Binh Phuoc province, which is famous with the battle of Phuoc Long. From 2009, it was divided into Phuoc Long Town (district level) and Bu Gia Map District. Another is Phuoc Long district of Bac Lieu establihsed in 2000 and now still as a district. I am not sure if there is any misleading when you make redirect Phuoc Long District, Bac Lieu to Phuoc Long District.(Cheers! (talk) 01:53, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user

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Talk:1948_Tinker_Air_Force_Base_tornadoes/GA1

Talkback. TheSpecialUser TSU 15:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Mayor of Superhero City

This article was marked for Speedy deletion for CSD G5. User was blocked/banned as User:Captaincold on 14 August 2009. Aricle was created by User:Meatwod, a sock of Captaincold, on October 24, 2009‎ and only other major writer was User:Meatwood (other than an IP editor). Since the person cannot edit under Captaincold, the only way that "G5. Creations by banned or blocked users." is through a sock. Otherwise how in the world would G5 every be applied? Spshu (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

The article has been significantly edited by other users, and thus the banned user's contributions cannot be removed without destroying the work of other, innocent users. Therefore, the page will not be deleted under G5. (You can, of course, still use the WP:PROD or WP:AFD methods of deletion.) Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
One that isn't what you said: "Decline again; as per before" which refers to Amatulic's improper reversal comment: "decline CSD G5 - page created before author was banned". Spshu (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
"As per before" referenced the fact that G5 was improperly used, not Amatulic's specific reason for declining. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

A Quick Question

Hello Reaper Eternal, before you closed this discussion thread at WP:AN as shown in this diff here: ([2]), you mentioned that "there is insufficient support for a community ban." Just out of curiosity, how many supports are generally needed for a community ban to take place in effect? Mr.Wikipediania (Stalk • Talk) 16:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

There is no really hard-and-fast number, but it certainly is more than one supporter. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh alright, thank you for clarifying my doubt Reaper Eternal. Mr.Wikipediania (Stalk • Talk) 16:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

{{di-no source}}

Actually, it is a speedy deletion template. It's an F4 template, and is listed at {{Speedy deletion templates}} -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi! You removed a speedy deletion request I put up on an Edgar Allan Poe portal I created some time ago. I requested it as the main (sole?) author of its various pages, but you noted it was linked to other articles. This is something I can easily remedy, as I was the one who added the link to those articles to draw attention to it. Ultimately, the project failed to do what I intended. I still think it merits deletion; how do you suggest I proceed? --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) WP:MFD is the place to nominate portals for deletion. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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1980 O-Pee-Chee

Hi. I am a bit late to discuss a proposed deletion for the 80 OPC article. I had proposed a merger quite some time ago for these set of articles though it was eventually removed. A new proposal has been posted so I think I may go ahead and do that. Would you be able to temporarily bring back the 1980 Opeechee article so that I can get the info for the merger? Thank you for your time. Libro0 (talk) 22:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Disregard. I went ahead and made the merger. Libro0 (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Kulin Kayastha

Thanks for sorting out the Ruderow/Calcuttan/Hrishiraj talk SPI. An IP signing themselves as Calcuttan has just commented at Talk:Kulin Kayastha, post block. I mentioned 117.* IPs in the SPI. - Sitush (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

PS: I doubt that we can rangeblock, but more eyes might be helpful. - Sitush (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I've rangeblocked 117.99.23.0/24 for that blindingly obvious block evasion. If any more IP socks arrive, I'll semiprotect the page and up Ruderow (talk · contribs)'s block to indefinite. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I am struggling to do things with my shiny new Android gadget, so please accept my apologies for all the various confusions Unless I get the hang of it soon, it'll be reserved for viewing only. - Sitush (talk) 15:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Die Young (Kesha song)

You deleted this page, but the consensus is that the page, which now exists at Die Young (Ke$ha song), should be moved, because all the other pages use Kesha instead of Ke$ha. However, it can't, as page creation is blocked for that article. See the discussion at Talk:Die_Young_(Ke$ha_song). If you're the one who placed that block, please remove it. Digifiend (talk) 01:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Moved to the non-$ version. Jenks24 (talk) 01:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, it appears I may have been too hasty here. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Moving a page to a salted name 2. Feel free to G4 it if you still think it's applicable. Jenks24 (talk) 01:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

It seems that other admins have dealt with it (and I was not the salter). Good luck. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 September 2012

Question

I was going to ask if you knew how to set up categories for images on the commons or knew someone who did since my efforts so far have been fruitless...but i love your tabbed userpage too!! Hopefully you can help with this if you have the time? Thanks and have a nice day/evening ツ Jenova20 (email) 10:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Just add the commons categories to the image page on commons, not the page here, which will just get deleted. You use the code [[Category:Whatever]]. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
It's that easy? Bongwarrior told me i need someone to create a category page(?) on the commons for that to work? Thank you very much Reaper Eternal and have a nice day/evening. I fixed your award on your user page too if you noticed ツ Jenova20 (email) 15:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

RevisionDelete requests

I saw you on the the list at RevDel requests admins so I figured I would ask you. I saw this hateful racist comment with death wishes directed at a certain group of people and figured it was something that could be RevDel. Thanks for your time, SassyLilNugget (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I've hidden those revisions and given the IP a very stern warning that any repetition will result in a block. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for enabling rollback :) I hope it will save me a bit of time each day. Victor Yus (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Dear Reaper Eternal: thank you so much for consolidating the article feedback filters! I know it has been frustrating for you, as it has for the rest of us, but I think we are now converging towards a practical solution, as outlined in the Edit filter talk page. I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for all your great work and advice, which is much, much appreciated. Onward! Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:30, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

That was quite fast. Thank you. Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedily deleted category

Did you not see Category_talk:Australian_rules_footballers_from_Brisbane?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes. And in five days, not one single page was moved into the "new category". Categories shouldn't be left empty indefinitely. If you intend on populating the category, I can restore it, but if not, then there is no reason to have it. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd been filling those since I started them and some other user's gone and emptied them. Anyway, it's only worthwhile doing if it's done for all the rest of Category:Sportspeople from Brisbane by sport's and Category:Sportspeople from Sydney by sport's contents.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Are you saying that somebody emptied the categories that you filled? Then this should have been taken to WP:CFD rather than speedy deletion, because consensus needs to be established. From what you posted on the talk page, it appeared that you had said that the categories should be filled but then had not bothered to do so. If somebody is actively emptying them, then they should not have been speedily deleted as C1. Could you clarify? Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, they appeared to to be emptying them at the same time they requested the speedy deletes. I thought clicking the link on the speedy delete template and typing something on the talk page was enough.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I'm restoring the two pages now, and you should tell him to take them to WP:CFD if he feels that they should be deleted. Please do repopulate them, however, so that they don't get re-tagged for speedy deletion. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit Filter Request

Hi Reaper! I see that the edit filter does not disallow motherf*cking or motherf*cker (I prefer not to use profanity, so I am intentionally abbreviating them). Can you please disallow these on both the Multiple Obscenities, as well as the AFTv5 filters? Thank you! --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 18:58, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The filter already matches them. Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Lonerkid69

Yeah, I thought he might be some long-term socker. However, I thought, best to leave it to that enforcement as it didn't rise to AIV standards. Daniel Case (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

That's fine! I just wanted to let you know that I'd ignored your administrative action. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 October 2012

Proposed deletion of the article "Neograss"

Hi Reaper. I've been adding some references to the Neograss article and it would be great if you could check it out. Regards Eselmel (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not too certain how reliable those sources are, since I can't read many of them. That said, anybody (including you) can contest the PROD tag by simply removing it. However, has there been any mainstream media coverage of the topic? If so, then adding those would go a long way in proving notability and most likely preventing the article from ever being taken to WP:AFD. As it is, the article might eventually be taken there for a wider discussion concerning whether it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria.
My review of the sources currently in the article:
  • I can't read this one.
  • I can't read this one either.
  • I can't read German, but there does not appear to be enough relevant content to meet the in-depth coverage required in the notability guideline for bands
  • Possibly an unreliable source like IMDb.
  • I can't read this source, and it would help if you linked to the actual page rather than just the front page.
  • This one looks fairly reliable.
  • I can't read this source.
I hope this helps! Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:Quack

It's a duck Oz3.werp (talk · contribs) vs Folha-de-caju (talk · contribs)--RandomLittleHelpertalk 17:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

User(s) re-blocked with talk page editing disallowed. And tagged. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

1948 Tinker Air Force Base tornadoes

Hi. Reading the GA review of this article it looks like you have assessed it as good and left some additional comments. Is that correct or are you awaiting responses to your questions? Pinged Brains either way. AIRcorn (talk) 05:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I've replied to your comments as well. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 15:25, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I've passed it. Thanks for your work! Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Pray the Gay Away? (Our America episode)

Hi,

Moving Pray the Gay Away? (Our America episode) to Pray the Gay Away? is not actually controversial as it refers only to the show and not the lowercase phrase "pray the gay away" which will still have a redirect elsewhere. All we are doing is removing the extra disambiguation. Please help on this. Thank you! Insomesia (talk) 20:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I fully support moving it there, but I cannot use the administrative tools to unilaterally reverse someone else's move and/or edits. That would be equivalent to me protecting a page after editing it to lock my version of an article. After obtaining consensus, I will have no problem removing the unnecessary disambiguation. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, thank you for letting me know. Insomesia (talk) 22:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Patt on the back

Patt on the back for Reaper Eternal
Reviewed me Ralph Patt
as fast as he could
Read it, and pricked it
and marked it with a ?
Put it back in editing for me.

I revised Ralph Patt following your suggestions. Thanks again!

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

See WP:RSN#Ralph_Patt: GAN vetting. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:42, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for blocking StillStanding

Thank you Reaper Eternal for blocking this user. I let this user get the better of me which effected my editing patterns and led to my topic ban. I am fully responsible for my actions, but I am glad that this editor has finally been blocked. Regards, --Mollskman (talk) 16:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I was watching, and am here to say the same.—cyberpower ChatOnline 16:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it is really appropriate to thank me for blocking a user who normally could have been a productive member of Wikipedia. I find it saddening whenever I am forced to block a non-vandal and apparently non-socking user, especially when it is indefinite, because it means that we and he have failed to appropriately integrate and communicate. Good luck. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Agree. Still has made some very helpful contributions on some very contentious articles and I always pay attention to what they contribute. I hope a path to returning is quickly developed. Insomesia (talk) 12:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Where are these diffs of "very helpful contributions"?  Unscintillating (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not into battlegrounding. Insomesia (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Have you ever been involved in any edit warring?  How is that not battlegrounding?  Unscintillating (talk) 02:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

un-speedying

Did you read Talk:The wormhill dragon? PamD 17:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes. http://www.wyrm.org.uk/ukdracs/wormhill.html confirms that this is not a hoax, although the factual error regarding the location should be corrected. However, the page is likely to be deleted due to a lack of notability, so I don't really see the point in bothering now, especially since I don't have a reliable source. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012

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Interesting new user

StillStanding-247 was blocked at 13:289 on 5 October by you. User:Sally Season was created on 21 Sept while SS247 was under pressure (to put it mildly)

In a total of 29 edits, this person overlaps SS247 on 5 pages. As this person has only edited on a handful of pages, the overlap is quite substantial, indeed. The tenor of this new editor's edits is, alas, notably similar to the prior editor. Not enough edits for me to state definitively the two are the same, but definitely the new editor is an "alternate persona" of someone per his comments and summaries. Cheers. Collect (talk) 21:47, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't really see enough evidence yet to tie User:Sally Season to User:StillStanding-247 enough to run a checkuser. If further evidence turns up, I may file an SPI. Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Sigma's RFA

Greetings Reaper,
The RFA at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Σ, of which you were co-nominator, has identified a number of community concerns which may rise above the usual level of past unsatisfactory interactions, conflicts and personal dislikes which are typical of RFA in its current format. In particular there are concerns relating to off-wiki vandalism and on-wiki disruption of which you were presumably unaware at the time of identifying Sigma as a suitable Admin. candidate.
As prominent and widely respected Administrators your endorsement of RF candidates is highly influential, as can be seen from several of the supporting !votes. Therefore, in view of the level of concern relating to the past activities of the candidate, it is sufficiently important to ask you to consider whether you wish to comment on whether the candidate still has the confidence indicated in your nomination statement. There is a section on the RFA Talk Page.
Rgds, Leaky Caldron 11:42, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I will be raising a query as to whether your contacting the nominators in this manner is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

RE. Following discussion at WP:AN I wish to withdraw my query above. Your continued support as nominator is a matter entirely for you and your candidate deserves no further negative interventions at his RFA. rgds. Leaky Caldron 15:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Since I had already written this rather large reply to you, I'll go ahead and post it anyway!
My apologies for not replying sooner, but I was on my way out the door when I replied to the above posts, so I was unable to reply to your comments here immediately. I have known Sigma for more than a year (on-wiki; I don't know him much off-wiki), and I never would have considered an RFA nomination then as he was simply too immature then. However, since around New Year's, I have noticed a greatly increasing level of maturity in Sigma's contributions, and, as I mentioned in my nomination, have been considering nominating him for about 3-4 months. You should note that the last example of Conservapedia vandalism, which I admit disappointed and disheartened me when I found out about it halfway through the RFA, seems to have occurred when Sigma was still relatively immature about a year ago. I am far more discouraged by a couple other Wikipedia users on IRC who I know orchestrated massive Grawp/meepsheep-esque style vandalism through the use of custom-coded vandalbots.
In Sigma's RFA, I see one example of the "canvassing" as merely a joke and nothing to be worried about, and the other was a response to Rcsprinter's question. The username opposes, are, in my opinion, a little ridiculous since there is nothing in policy prohibiting a non-ASCII username. I would invite the opposers to propose a change on Wikipedia talk:Username policy if they believe admins should have only ASCII usernames.
Therefore, the question comes down to: Has Sigma matured significantly since the vandalism incidents? In my mind, he has done so greatly. Therefore, as a nominator, I still stand by my nomination because I believe that he will be a good positive for the admin corps. I do not hope to sway your opinion, but I would like you to know that I still support Sigma. Unfortunately, if I were the closing bureaucrat, I would likely need to extend the RFA by the standard three days to determine if the community still trusts Sigma with the admin tools. Thanks, and good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Just spotted this, thanks. Thanks also for not participating in my WP:Hazing at WP:AN. Rgds. Leaky Caldron 16:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Editing policy

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EF Modification Request

Hi Reaper! Sorry to bother you, but apparently the multiple obscenities filter does not disallow "fuk". Can you please disallow it for me? Thanks. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 21:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

\b(f|F)uk\b added to the edit filter. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm trying to teach myself some regex. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 21:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 October 2012

References

Hello Reaper~! You were very helpful the other day in the chat room. Can you do me a favor and take a quick look at my article and tell me what you think about my references. I sumbitted my article and it was declined because of references. I know many teammates of my boyfriend tht have wiki articles with less refrences then the one i created. I was advised to check the guidelines for basketball and the are 3 catergories under it, my boyfriend falls under the first one but it doesnt specify whether he is to meet all 3 or just one, so im not sure if that is why it was declined.

I know you are busy but if you could just look at the links and tell me which ones you think are the issue because im not sure.Thanks! (Iknowball 20:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Justin_C._Hamilton_(Basketball) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iknowball (talk • contribs) 20:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not believe that those sources adequately demonstrate that this person passes the notability guidelines for athletes. Wikipedia cannot be used for citing sources per the reliable source guidelines. You should also cite your sources using <ref>...</ref> tags, which will help in showing what information comes from which source. While I did not see any problems with promotional content, you should be careful when editing an article on somebody related to you because you could inadvertently add excessively promotional content. I hope this helps! Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot to flush...

Thanks ;) Rehman 13:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron/GA1

I saw you undid the edit to that page. I bet the editor clicked the section edit tab from the main page and added a new section, not realizing they were editing the subpage. Anyway, I copied their text to the main talk page. Cheers. —Torchiest talkedits 20:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I guessed that too, but the aforementioned editor is currently likely to be blocked as a sockpuppet, so I did not feel it necessary to restore his edit. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, haha, I didn't look any further into it than that. Thanks for the heads up. —Torchiest talkedits 21:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

thanks

for reverting the request for speedy deletion of my sandbox Leroux (climate skeptic also honoured academic) Lucy Skywalker (talk) 22:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

WUGA(FM)

Hi there

I saw that you deleted the redirect left after the page was moved to the current location. Is it necessary? At the very least, it doesn't hurt to keep it. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 21:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I just deleted the redirect since it was just a typo created when you moved a page to an incorrect title. I can restore it if you want, but I don't really see any point in keeping it. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Declined: CertificationPoint

Hello Reaper Eternal. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of CertificationPoint, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Blgiles23 (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Terrigentry (talk · contribs). Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of CertificationPoint for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article CertificationPoint is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CertificationPoint until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Ubelowme U Me 22:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I am unsure of the procedure but I have reason to suspect that the SPA who left you the note above is a sockpuppet. Your advice would be welcome. Ubelowme U Me 22:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

That's fine! Unfortunately, my user talk page seems to be attracting sockpuppets like flies recently. :/ Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Declined speedy

You declined the speedy here: User:Lucy_Skywalker/Marcel_Leroux#Thoughts. If you see User_talk:Lucy_Skywalker/Marcel_Leroux#Thoughts. The intention is clearly to avoid deletion rather than to work on it. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't see where on that page the user indicates that he intends only to use the sandbox to evade deletion. Indeed, the user, editing while logged out, wrote "It's clear from the many edits over the last week this article is actively being worked on. Indeed, the edits are directly addressing the main complaint in the deletion discussion of too few independent references to the subject's work." This indicates to me that the user intends on improving the article. While the user obviously intends to push some POV, I cannot use that as a reason for speedy deletion. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Andatel Hotel information page

I see you have deleted andatel page and it's information, history and helpful tips for tourist... I don't mind, though it's nothing promotional and you think you are doing your job that's great. Please delete Starwoods page, Sheraton page and Westin, they are all in clear violation of wikipedia's rule of promotion and advertising. How about wikipedia's media rule of banning logos on pages/article? Master editor, if you are qualified please do the same to other hotel pages since you deem Andatel as advertisement/promotional on wikipedia. I urge you to treat all pages with the same; on the same level as treat corporate giants. Have a nice day, I will be cheering on for you, hope we can get those advertisement down soon ^^. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Cruso (talk • contribs) 15:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I have deleted the page because it consisted of nothing but promotion. You even stated: "I am a project manager at Andatel and would like anyone; students, international and local people to have access to Andatel information." That is not what Wikipedia is for, and you should read the conflict-of-interest policy and consider alternative outlets. Furthermore, just because other ads exists doesn't mean that yours can stay. Admins will eventually get around to deleting the other ads. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit filter 499

Thanks for putting the filter in Mr.Z-bot's list of reported hits. I was considering what to do next after feeling that it was doing what it was intended to do. I did undo your change to the search though as it wasn't going to pick up any of the spambots with that change. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Need a copy of Fishwife (band)

The article I wrote, Fishwife (band), was speedily deleted before I got a chance to appeal it. I would like a copy of it to preserve on my userspace. If you are interested in helping me appeal the speedy deletion, please let me know. SlimJimJones (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I've restored your version of the article to User:SlimJimJones/Fishwife (band). The prior version, which you had not written, I did not restore because it was a copyright violation. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of International Feng Shui Association

Just wondering whether you could do anything to get this page that I spent sometime researching and writting as well as getting copyright permissions. Puzzled why it was deleted. It kind of kills the motivation to contribute to Wikipedia (remember we are not getting any benefit at all).


Hi Yonatan, just wondering whether you could do anything regarding the mysterious speedy deletion of International Feng Shui Association ( as well as the taging for deletion for two of the photos that I already obtained permission to use them on restricted basis ) ?

Here is the same content that I wrote in the Talk page:

Talk page post

Like any associations for any disciplines such as the IEEE, ACM, Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics and American Institute of Architects, as spear-heading non-profit association is needed in order to establish a common code of conduct, share knowledge, promote to higher level such as Fellow of an organization and meet up for general meetings. The International Feng Shui Association is essential a non-profit Feng Shui organization like the professional or non-profit organizations mentioned above. It has a number of world renounced GrandMasters in its core committee that would serve to advance the field as well as promote deserving practitioners to Masters or Grand Masters grade upon reaching the required benchmark standards.

No other Feng Shui organizations in the world is of this magnitude and reach-out. So this page was created to help promote the art / meta-physics of Feng Shui. This is an international organization that attracts renounced speakers and participants from all parts of the world including USA, UK, Australia, China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Mexico. It is not a local club level organization whereby it is organized by less qualified enthusiasts.

I am very sure people from all over the world would interested in Feng Shui would be looking forward to events organized by this association. Making it easier to reach out to search for them.

In case you are thinking that I took money to write this page, I assure you that I did not. As you could see, I have been contributing to Wikipedia because I like the contents in Wikipedia and has been benefiting from speedy search for information. So I thought it would be nice to educate or less the readers know about the facts that I wrote (which I am more familiar with) especially if they are useful. However, I also admit that I had taken courses conducted by one of the renounced GrandMasters but my writing of this page is independent of him ( he did not even know I wrote this page when I wrote it). Also I am currently not a member of the association.

I hope you would be undeleting this page as it is useful and took some effort to research, write as well as get copyright permissions from the respective organization for use in Wikipedia.

Thank you. <FabianEng> — Preceding unsigned comment added by FabianEng (talk • contribs) 05:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, I'd like to make it clear that I never accused you of paid editing or even of having a conflict of interest.
I deleted the page because it had no indication of why the International Feng Shui Association was significant—all the page did was describe the organization's aims and membership.
I actually had nothing to do with requesting that the images be deleted. However, they do violate our non-free content policies because they are not necessary for understanding what International Feng Shui Association is.
When writing an article on a corporation or an organization, you should read the notability guidelines for corporations and organizations and the general notability guidelines. Basically, what you need to do is to have multiple reliable sources in the article, which will prove that the subject passes the notability guidelines. I hope this helps! Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Yonatan / Reaper for the speedy reply,

I actually read the notability guidelines and found out that it actually meets the requirements. I quote:

"Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards:

The scope of their activities is national or international in scale. Information about the organization and its activities can be verified by multiple,[1] third-party, independent, reliable sources. Additional considerations are:

Nationally famous local organizations: Some organizations are local in scope, but have achieved national or even international notice. Organizations whose activities are local in scope (e.g., a school or club) can be considered be notable if there is substantial verifiable evidence of coverage by reliable independent sources outside the organization's local area. Where coverage is only local in scope, consider adding a section on the organization to an article on the organization's local area instead. Factors that have attracted widespread attention: The organization’s longevity, size of membership, major achievements, prominent scandals, or other factors specific to the organization should be considered to the extent that these factors have been reported by independent sources. This list is not exhaustive and not conclusive."

Actually all these facts are written in the wiki-page that I wrote which was meant to inform people who are interested in Feng Shui that such an international organization exist (like IEEE, ACM etc) and they organize and international event annual and it has the backings of some of the best Feng Shui Grandmasters in the world including the world leading Feng Shui book writer Grand Master Lilian Too (Harvard MBA), her mentor Grand Master Yap Cheng Hai, GM Tan Khoon Yong ( Academic Advisor to the Department of Philosophy at Peking University) as well as other Grand Masters.

a) IFSA is international (currently already has members from at least 15 countries).

b) The photographs serve as proof of the appeal and the crowd they attracted for this event (since this non-profit organization is less well known).

c) It has been active for 8 years.

d) The Convention is the major event that they organize.

e) They recognize and promote Feng Shui practitioners to Master and Grand Master grades and the person who confer the Grand Master titles (like IEEE Fellows) are normally democratically-elected Singapore politicians (Members of Parliament).

f) As far as I know, this is the world leading Feng Shui organization. No other Feng Shui organization has the supports of 6 internationaly well-known Feng Shui Grand Masters and has such wide-reaching influence.

g) They accredit Feng Shui courses conducted by affiliated members and maintain quality control.

I have been wiki-ing for quite a number years and I know this is one that qualifies as a wiki-entry (also subjected to your judgement) as it is the world leading non-profit organization in Feng Shui ( an art and a science) that is internationally supported although Google search engine only captured "International Feng Shui Association" when queried using for with quotations.

Normally when a page does not meet certain conditions, it would be flagged with a small message ( I have rectified quite a number of them ) but for this page that I created, it was immediately deleted without me even able to do anything. I am unable to also insert additional references from reliable sources ( >[multiple reliable sources in the article , which will prove that the subject passes the notability guidelines. ])

I assure you this is a deserving organization. I would not even bother writing about this organization if it does not have the supports of some of the world leading Grand Masters (practitioners with reputations and years of practicing experience, write books and articles and teach Feng Shui and divinations). See for yourself the speakers for this convention ( at http://www.intfsa.org/ifsc2012_brochure.pdf ) whether it operates like a profit or non-profit organization and whether it reaches out to the international market. Most of the speakers are internationally acclaimed with some "new kids on the block" too.

I sincerely hope you would proceed on the my request to undelete the International Feng Shui Association wiki-page so that a deserving organization that spreads Feng Shui worldwide and educates the world could continue to reach out to the world.

As for the photo images which I also had to obtain copyright permissions to use them only for Wikipedia, I will deal with them only if this page is allowed to be undeleted as it is pointless to deal with them if this issue could not be resolved. Thank you and hope you would consider my request favorably. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FabianEng (talk • contribs) 19:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I have not heard anything regarding my request. Could you please do something about it. I know the two approved images have already been removed too. Thanks Yonatan or Reaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FabianEng (talk • contribs) 05:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, as you mentioned above, an organization needs "multiple, third-party, independent, reliable sources." You need to provide a couple of these reliable sources to demonstrate that the International Feng Shui Association is notable before I will undelete the article. As an alternative, I could undelete the page immediately and move it to a user sandbox for you to add the sources to at your leisure. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Here are a few references from various sites. I am not sure if they qualify as 3rd-party independent sites as like IEEE, somewhat all references to them are mostly from organizations that are somewhat related to them or have at least some members who are tied to those organizations. Nevertheless, I would supply them: 

  a) http://www.afsc.org.au/members_list.php [Association of Feng Shui Consultants (International) [independent 3rd party]

  b) http://www.fengshuiguide.net/listing.php?id=42&type=banner [ Fengshui Guide - independent 3rd party]

  c) http://www.wofs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=746:feng-shui-world-latest-issue-januaryfebruary-2010-is-out-get-your-copy-now&catid=22:miscellaneous&Itemid=38 [not quite 3rd party but this is a reference from the website of World's best Feng Shui books writer] 

  d) http://www.i-fsbazi.com/ifb/?page_id=799 Institute of Fengshui Bazi [independent 3rd party but some members are also members of IFSA]

  e) http://www.fengshui-college.org/about [Independent 3rd party Feng Shui veteran (European College of Feng Shui)]

  f) http://gulfnews.com/life-style/health/feng-shui-revisited-with-grand-master-raymond-lo-1.1049963 [Independent 3rd party high traffic news site].

Let me know if these are adequate. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FabianEng (talk • contribs) 13:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Sources (a) through (e) are certainly reliable enough to include information about the IFSA; however, they are from associations affiliated with Feng Shui and thus not independent of the subject. Source (f), on the other hand, is independent of the subject and reliable. It also includes something that indicates that the IFSA has significance: "Grand Master is no title to be sniffed at...granted the title by the International Feng Shui Association based in Singapore." Since the organization awards an now-apparently significant honor, that gives the organization a credible claim of significance. As such, I will restore the article. Ultimately, the Wikipedia community as a whole may decide that the IFSA is not notable, but the speedy deletion criteria is now void. I would encourage you to find more independent, reliable sources like gulfnews.com to completely prove notability. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Reap or Yona for the undeletion... I would try to add more independent 3rd party references and good contents to other Feng Shui related pages as before whenever I have free time.

I found it pretty hard to add references from reliable 3rd party sources that are not in any way related to Feng Shui as references to IFSA are mostly from Feng Shui related organizations. Nevertheless, these are additional references which may or may not be from 3rd parties:

a) http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/associations b) http://www.amazon.com/Lillian-Jennifer-Fortune-Feng-Dragon/dp/9673290911 c) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQkXQUKQC0U [non-3rd party - A glimpse of actual conferment of Grandmaster title] d) http://www.intfsa.org/html/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=35 [non-3rd party video that gives a glimpse of how the event site, the opening site and the type of people that receives the Grandmaster title - this is just to show that it is a deserving organization and not one that is very local in scope. Obviously this would not be included in the Wikipedia page but will act as a guard against future deletions and arguments]

Will be adding more notable third party references in future as and when I encounter them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FabianEng (talk • contribs) 16:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 October 2012

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